Rap and hip hop and why it's not good

[Kugyince]

Sorry, because I don't understand something means I must mock it.

Let me know what part of hip hop is this:

[jim5cents]

maybe a tribe called quest renamed themselves, a tribe called aryan nation?

i got tmt's point, there is a difference between artistic graffiti and vandalism

[sezthemank]

IM MAD NOW

Originally Posted by Dudebro

At least we can all agree that ICP is garbage right? Right?

Originally Posted by jim5cents

yes.

Originally Posted by Tenser

X2.

Originally Posted by stevencassidy13

icp as in insane clown posse? lol they were better wrestles than musicicans

icp dont suck
some of their silly fans do
going around chopping people up and stuff
then blaming their music
but if you listen to some of their lyrics
you would hear how talented they are
its just that SOME juggalos are cranks

i mean come on

...but im a juggalo so it only made me laugh ha

besides DB
your larry told me on myspace that he is a juggalo
he goes to the gathering and everything :cool:

[Kevin]

Well isn't ICP's lyrics about blood, murder, chopping, etc? I mean don't get me wrong, I once was a fan and owned some of their albums. It kind of amazes me to see how far these guys went.... I practically remember these guys selling their cassette tape (that's not a typo either, I said cassette tape lol) out of minivans on Michigan Ave. in Detroit. From what I remember the music was of a very dark nature, but unique in it's own way at the same time.

I'm just saying, I give the guys props for making where they did, but don't you think their brand of music may influence certain juggalo's to act in certain ways?

That's my $0.02 for the day. :cool:

[TrakMastaTom]

I hate ICP but I don't sweat the lyrics. They are kind of extreme and I find them totally stupid, but people hate on artists with violent lyrics when their own favorite artists are saying the same thing in different ways. I mean Johnny Cash "shot a man in Reno, just to watch him die." Why can't ICP.

And @Tenser, I don't think you are really not understanding this, I think you are just trying to get a rise, but just in case:

An ART crime (hip-hop): http://www.4elementz.com/uploads/alb...bzgbi5vuhn.jpg

A VANDALISM crime (hate filled, NOT hip-hop): http://www.bbc.co.uk/northamptonshir...affiti_270.jpg

It's not too hard to tell the difference.

[sezthemank]

icp do rap about some awfull things like killing people
but its more silly
like cartoon charicters

its just entertainment! horror and comedy!

like the bride of chucky or beetlejuice

is silly but gorey

MUCH CLOWN LOVE TO YOU ALL

[Kugyince]

Nah I really do understand the difference TMT, you're right. But unless you do it on your own property or get permission to do it on another person's property its still a crime. I do agree that it is an art form.

The part I am not understanding is how it is a part of hip-hop. I understand the two often have a mutual following and creative drawing pool but they're certainly not symbiotic by any means.

[sezthemank]

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSJc4G3swvs"]YouTube - GRAFFITI - #26 - STOMPDOWN KILLAZ - hip hop rap juggalo[/ame]

[Dudebro]

Originally Posted by Tenser

The part I am not understanding is how it is a part of hip-hop. I understand the two often have a mutual following and creative drawing pool but they're certainly not symbiotic by any means.

I think it is just a matter of coincidence. People who like to tag walls also like hip hop. Some of my friends used to be into this and I can tell you they never played country or heavy metal while doing it.

[TrakMastaTom]

Originally Posted by Tenser

The part I am not understanding is how it is a part of hip-hop.

The same way certain fashion is part of hip hop, kangol hats and stuff like that. Hip hop isn't just a genre of music but also a "cultural movement." DJing, Emceeing, beatboxing, break dancing and graffiti are all associated with hip hop music and culture.

[Kugyince]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

I think it is just a matter of coincidence. People who like to tag walls also like hip hop.

Way to reiterate exactly what you just quoted me as stating. Were you agreeing with me or did you just not bother to read the post you were responding to?

Originally Posted by TrakMastaTom

The same way certain fashion is part of hip hop, kangol hats and stuff like that. Hip hop isn't just a genre of music but also a "cultural movement." DJing, Emceeing, beatboxing, break dancing and graffiti are all associated with hip hop music and culture.

So wait, which spawned the other? Is the cultural movement reflective of the music or was the music popularized by the cultural movement?

[sezthemank]

Originally Posted by Tenser

So wait, which spawned the other? Is the cultural movement reflective of the music or was the music popularized by the cultural movement?

hmmmm
i think they just kinda went together

like goths and eyeliner
punks and bright hairdyd
greesers and leather jackets
juggalos and face paint
bikers and piercings
blondes and doggs they carry around like purses

[Mikman]

It is possible that rap arose in the 1980s as a way for the Americans of African descent to counter the popularity of heavy medal that was created by the Americans of European descent.

[sezthemank]

true fact

the first ever rap used in a single was by blondey
its a true fact i learned in audio which i studyed in college

[Mikman]

That is true. Rap was invented by an American of European descent.

[sezthemank]

well................
first rapper to sign a major record deal was Kurtis Blow back in 79 i think
maybee 78 i cant remember
the first hip-hop song to be relesed was rappers delight

Queen's "Another One Bites the Dust"
and
Blondie's "Rapture",
thou Rapper's Delight was the first hp-hop i think

[Mikman]

I never knew that.

[sezthemank]

i know
its wired
you wouldnt think blondey and queen are in the first 3 to make a rap record

[TrakMastaTom]

That's up for debate. It is another popular opinion that Gil-Scott Heron's 1971 single "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" was the first rap song. It's just him performing a poem over music.

And @Tenser, I don't really know which spawned what. I mean first there was DJing, then emcees started hyping up the crowd, then they started rapping. I don't know a lot about grafitti in hip hop so I don't know where it fits in. I just know that it does somewhere and sometime.

[sezthemank]

Gil-Scott Heron's a legend
but i wouldnt class him as rap
he is...like you said, talking over a beat/drums
most of his stuff dont even rhyme
though it still is poetry

[Slime Slayer]

i think it started when someones cat jumped onto their record player

[sezthemank]

Originally Posted by stevencassidy13

i think it started when someones cat jumped onto their record player

hahahahahahahahahaha

[Kevin]

I would say that grafitti is a culture in itself. I've know/n a heaping handful of graf artists and it seems like there was a wide array of musical diversity from one artist to another.

[Kugyince]

Originally Posted by Kevin

I would say that grafitti is a culture in itself. I've know/n a heaping handful of graf artists and it seems like there was a wide array of musical diversity from one artist to another.

I would be more in line to agree with you. I don't think just because you're doing graffiti make you a part of the hip hop culture. I've been wrong before though.

[sezthemank]

nah
loads of people do graffetti
not just people who are into hip-hop

ive seen skater types doing it