Autofire issue - Page 2

**PP1969GR** · 01-03-2017, 12:14 PM

Oversight on my part, must be wolfMame. Version 150 or newer.

**TodayIsForgotten** · 01-03-2017, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by PP1969GR

Oversight on my part, must be wolfMame. Version 150 or newer.

Understood. However, there is a perfectly good inp i provided under regular Mame. You will be able to tell for yourself that there is no auto-fire or cheating involved.

As i mentioned and you playfully combated in jest...i have nothing to prove nor do i play for status. That is what i meant by my comment. You are asking me to now use wolfmame which protects against cheating. I am not the one under adjudication.

I have provided you your request. Next time be more specific.

**PP1969GR** · 01-03-2017, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by TodayIsForgotten

You are asking me to now use wolfmame which protects against cheating. I am not the one under adjudication.

Then why you uploaded that inp?

I wanted only wolfmame, my oversight that I didn't mention it yesterday.

**TodayIsForgotten** · 01-03-2017, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by PP1969GR

Then why you uploaded that inp?

I wanted only wolfmame, my oversight that I didn't mention it yesterday.

PP1969GR - In all honesty, what are you trying to do here? Do you want wolfmame so you can upload it to Marp? I know, that sounds a bit crazy but i dont see your angle here or is there one?

I provided you an inp because you asked for one and unfortunately, to a critical flaw i am usually virtuous. Perhaps, not the best word in this case.

I took personal time to record an inp for you and because you forgot to ask for wolfmame my now easy 15 minute task is another 15 minutes. I was nice enough to do the first inp for you. I see no reason why i need to do another.

If you can give me a good explanation as to why i should re-record another run in wolfmame for you. I'd love to hear it.

**PP1969GR** · 01-03-2017, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TodayIsForgotten

PP1969GR - In all honesty, what are you trying to do here? Do you want wolfmame so you can upload it to Marp? I know, that sounds a bit crazy but i dont see your angle here or is there one?

I want the inp to examine it for illegal tricks.
Can't be more frankly

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Originally Posted by TodayIsForgotten

I took personal time to record an inp for you and because you forgot to ask for wolfmame my now easy 15 minute task is another 15 minutes. I was nice enough to do the first inp for you. I see no reason why i need to do another.

That is what I expected.

**Slime Slayer** · 01-03-2017, 01:38 PM

Okay well at this point I think it's only reasonable that TIF board a plane and show PP live in person.

**elrod21** · 01-03-2017, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by stevencassidy13

Okay well at this point I think it's only reasonable that TIF board a plane and show PP live in person.

I have a feeling that even that wouldn't satisfy PP.

PP, basically at this point to me you are coming off like a sore loser. It's almost like you are so confident in your own skills that you believe the only way TIF could beat you at this game is by cheating.

You have had Game Mods tell you TIF didn't cheat but that isn't good enough for you apparently. You need it proven to you on you terms and you are not entitled to that.

**PP1969GR** · 01-03-2017, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by elrod21

PP, basically at this point to me you are coming off like a sore loser. It's almost like you are so confident in your own skills that you believe the only way TIF could beat you at this game is by cheating.

Its not about just one game. I'm impressed how this player makes great scores at once. No time to learn them, so many games, so many stages... Can you master a game without study its strategy?

**krehztim** · 01-03-2017, 03:26 PM

PP, your latest GP Rider score here is much higher than your GP Rider scores on MARP. Must be some kind of hacking going on here...

**PP1969GR** · 01-03-2017, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by krehztim

PP, your latest GP Rider score here is much higher than your GP Rider scores on MARP. Must be some kind of hacking going on here...

Yes, I tried more this time.

Don't forget to give me the "clear" credit.

**elrod21** · 01-03-2017, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by PP1969GR

Its not about just one game. I'm impressed how this player makes great scores at once. No time to learn them, so many games, so many stages... Can you master a game without study its strategy?

Although I can agree that some games definitely need more practice to learn how to progress in them, many games in the same genre are so similar that if your reflexes are good enough you can do well at all of them. Some player are just that good.

I know this has already been stated but have you considered donating to the site? If you do, then you get the option to watch all verified submissions. That may put your doubt to rest.

**PP1969GR** · 01-03-2017, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by elrod21

I know this has already been stated but have you considered donating to the site? If you do, then you get the option to watch all verified submissions. That may put your doubt to rest.

As I said, watching a video does not help. You need the inp file.

I' d like to be donor, but I m afraid to give data of my card, internet is full of hackers.

**George Riley** · 01-03-2017, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by PP1969GR

As I said, watching a video does not help. You need the inp file.

I' d like to be donor, but I m afraid to give data of my card, internet is full of hackers.

I think you get to see the inp as well if you donate. Also, have you thought about buying a debit card, and just putting $20 on it, and then using $5 of it to donate?

**krehztim** · 01-03-2017, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by PP1969GR

Don't forget to give me the "clear" credit.

Whoops. Must have been an oversight. Nothing personal.

Your F1 verification request has been removed. Every replay of that game de-syncs about 30 seconds into the first lap.

**PP1969GR** · 01-03-2017, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by George Riley

Also, have you thought about buying a debit card, and just putting $20 on it, and then using $5 of it to donate?

I' m not familiar with such cards, how do they work?
Let's talk via pm.

**Slime Slayer** · 01-03-2017, 05:29 PM

You know what, one time TIF accused me of using auto fire (justifiably), I adressed his concerns and explained to him why it appeared that way, and that I was not using auto fire. Guess what? He graciously gave me the benefit of the doubt and believed me after I had told him it was not true. Why can't you do that?

**PP1969GR** · 01-03-2017, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by stevencassidy13

You know what, one time TIF accused me of using auto fire (justifiably), I adressed his concerns and explained to him why it appeared that way, and that I was not using auto fire. Guess what? He graciously gave me the benefit of the doubt and believed me after I had told him it was not true. Why can't you do that?

I try... but why he can't use wolfmame?

**Kong** · 01-03-2017, 06:13 PM

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For months krehztim has been moderating nearly all the scores almost by himself, just as a way to give to the community. If he experiences burn out and needs a break then most scores will take weeks or months to be approved instead of hours or days. 75% of the private messages he gets are from you and in most of them you are a disrespectful jerk. You are requiring too much effort.

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TiF's scores are checked for cheating the same as your's and everyone else's are. He is not cheating. You only think he is because he can beat you even when you cheat. If you suspect a score is bad, click "request verification" and if it has not already been verified then it will be. Trust us, there is not rampant cheating going on. We catch nearly every offender. If you don't trust us then pony up a dollar and inspect the INP yourself. No third option.

3.
Read the rules and do not break any of them again.

I am telling you this in very serious terms. I will not repeat this again. Ignore any of those three points and you will be banned. Think carefully about your next post. You should probably take a break to calm down before responding.

Donations go through PayPal. RU never sees your personal info. You only have to trust PayPal. PayPal technically could be hacked but they have insurance and if they ever are hacked they will pay for any fraudulent charges. PayPal is more safe than using your credit card at WalMart or McDonalds.

When you have access to watch the INP you can do anything else you want to do with it.

WolfMame isn't going to prove anything that regular MAME doesn't prove. It is possible to cheat in both. And if TiF gave you a Wolf INP you would probably still complain that it wasn't good enough.

Ways to cheat:
Turbo. You can tell from his INP, with or without Wolf, and from his scores on RU (if you would trust us or donate to see for yourself), that he is not using Turbo and that you did.

Editing dip switches or entering cheat codes. Detectable in INP. Even if you hacked MAME, there is no way around this.

Using pause. Not very useful in this game. Detectable in INP if you know what to look for.

Excessively using pause to slow game down. Detectable in INP.

Reducing framerate to slow game down. Detectable in INP.

Hacking MAME to falsely report pauses or framerate so you can slow game down without getting caught. Equally possible in both MAME and Wolf but very difficult. it might be possible in RU but I don't know of any way to do so. Requires skills and effort from a talented programmer. I don't think this applies to TiF.

Splicing INP's together. Technically easy in MAME. Not very difficult in Wolf. I think impossible in RU. It takes more time than playing a game normally. TiF provided his INP shortly after you asked for it. Technically he would have had enough time but he would have had to start right away. And he has already set several verified scores on RU where this isn't possible.

There is one other way to cheat that is fairly easy in MAME, a little harder in Wolf and impossible in RU. But it isn't common knowledge so I wont go into detail. Even though it doesn't take advanced programming knowledge, TiF probably isn't aware that this option exists. And same exception before would apply, he probably didn't have enough time and he has already submitted verified scores in this game to RU.

Creating a robot to play back a tool assisted speed run would require lots of effort and skill. Would require even more effort and time to submit multiple unique scores for one game. If you did this you could upload very popular recordings of yourself to youtube and make money and fame and get a job in robotics.

There is one other way that requires special hardware that would let you cheat in any of the systems but it suffers from the same problems, expensive and requires lots of time, effort and skill and you still might make a mistake and get caught and branded a cheater.

So not sure what you think Wolf will prove for you, but you are wrong, it would prove nothing more and if you received the wolf file you probably would find another reason to complain. Wolf and MAME are almost identical and WOLF does only slows down a dedicated cheater.

You say you suspect him because he can master a new game so fast. Most of these methods would take even more time to set up on a brand new game. Raw talent is the fastest way to master a new game.

**PP1969GR** · 01-03-2017, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kong

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For months krehztim has been moderating nearly all the scores almost by himself, just as a way to give to the community. If he experiences burn out and needs a break then most scores will take weeks or months to be approved instead of hours or days.

This is your problem and problem of your site. Not our problem.

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Originally Posted by Kong

75% of the private messages he gets are from you and in most of them you are a disrespectful jerk. You are requiring too much effort.

These pm are not for fun or just to waste some time. Its about bugs and problems of your site. A score which was not uploaded, a wrong score etc etc. And often I have to help him by pointing out mistakes.
So, if you want to see a "disrespectful jerk" just look at your mirror, YOU IDIOT.
Don't throw to others your responsibilities. Fix your site, respect people who are here.

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Originally Posted by Kong

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TiF's scores are checked for cheating the same as your's and everyone else's are. He is not cheating. You only think he is because he can beat you even when you cheat. If you suspect a score is bad, click "request verification" and if it has not already been verified then it will be. Trust us, there is not rampant cheating going on. We catch nearly every offender. If you don't trust us then pony up a dollar and inspect the INP yourself. No third option.

I said several times that I don't want watch the inp... are you deaf? I said I want the file.
If Tif is clear then why he refuse to use wolfmame?
You know very well that there are plenty of uploads here with autofire.

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Originally Posted by Kong

3.
Read the rules and do not break any of them again.

I am telling you this in very serious terms. I will not repeat this again. Ignore any of those three points and you will be banned. Think carefully about your next post. You should probably take a break to calm down before responding.

Rules should be same for all players. First of all you are who need to follow the rules. And mostly, to respect gamer's hard work. 4 months I'm asking to add my points of Major Title 1&2 but you're deeply sleeping.

I m calm down, what about you? I m telling you again, if you want to leave I 'll leave. You are not in position to threat me. You need me, I don't need you.

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Originally Posted by Kong

WolfMame isn't going to prove anything that regular MAME doesn't prove. It is possible to cheat in both.

And why in marp they use wolfmame? Are they stupids and you are clever?

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Originally Posted by Kong

You say you suspect him because he can master a new game so fast. Most of these methods would take even more time to set up on a brand new game. Raw talent is the fastest way to master a new game.

Krehztim just said he suspects me in some game "GP Rider", I didn't hear you to blame him.
And give me a break, how a weak player like you will talk about "raw talent", lmao

**krehztim** · 01-03-2017, 07:14 PM

Again, my GP Rider comment was sarcasm. Learn it. Good bye.

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**Kong** · 01-03-2017, 07:19 PM

Banned. Personally I think I was too lenient and he should have been banned yesterday. Opinions?

**krehztim** · 01-03-2017, 07:21 PM

You know my opinion. If he could have just shut up and moved on, everything would be fine. The last few posts were obviously just begging for a ban. I guarantee he'll be back under some other username at some point.

**Kong** · 01-03-2017, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by krehztim

I guarantee he'll be back under some other username at some point.

We have a fairly good system in place for preventing that. Some serious repeat offenders forced me to get good at stopping that. I recently learned a new way to improve the ban blocker. If needed I'll take the time to add it but I don't think it will be needed.

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Originally Posted by PP1969GR

I m telling you again, if you want to leave I 'll leave. You are not in position to threat me. You need me, I don't need you.

Also, no one that has ever said this has ever meant it. The more they repeat it the more they try to return. Like a bad girlfriend.

**Slime Slayer** · 01-03-2017, 07:31 PM

Is it a permanent ban? Justified either way, guy was going out of his way to be a jerk to the people that run the site, as well as not respecting the rules.

**krehztim** · 01-03-2017, 07:38 PM

There are a few other people/mods I still talk to who think they know a few of his other aliases on other sites, particularly MARP, and here as well. There's no mistaking his choice of games and his grasp of the English language. His M.O. after banning is usually to start spamming, so we'll see.