What if

[Dudebro]

Originally Posted by kernzy

so, does the fact that multiple ufo's being witnessed every year for the past 50 years not pass for intelligent life already, and the majority of mankind ignores it, and laugh in the face of those who don't?

It's a fact huh? So I suppose you have undeniable proof from somewhere besides youtube or conspiracy sites? That was a rhetorical question please don't elaborate.

Originally Posted by RevJ

However the vast distances and technical problems involved with interstellar travel

That's assuming we're only talking about our current understanding of interstellar travel. Aliens could send us some ground breaking info, like in the movie Contact, and make our understanding obsolete.
That is a realistic theory about information exchange though. As far as we know that would be the easiest and quickest way to contact aliens far from us.

[kiwinavega]

Tell the world, and expect to be killed within months, if not weeks. But tell them! Knowledge will set us free and that knowledge could set us free from all kinds of things (cough *religion* cough).

[kernzy]

so, dudebro,
you believe earth is the only planet to exist in the "goldilocks" zone? i.e., close enough to the local star for warmth, and not far enough away to be too cold? there are millions. if there is ice in space, there is water. where there is water and stars, there is life. life on earth is the proof of this. (unless you believe god made it all in a week?) i am one of the lucky ones to not need proof. i am a witness.
to ask for proof without using a video of some sort is impossible. limit your sources and you learn nothing. "prove you actually exist without writing, talking or photo's."

Revj, we have no choice but to know only about transport systems we know about. humans get into space by burning what i would call "fossil" fuels. may as well fill it up with coal.
to understand a higher intelligence's elements and knowledge is impossible, but i gaurantee you, they would not "burn stuff" to travel. even we are on the brink of "ion drives", etc. what would we be using in 1,000 years? that's how to think of what "they" may have. interstella travel to them may be like jet planes for us. 100 years ago, we were all walking.
as for alien retro games,( good one!!) they would be much more accurate than ours, and they would probably be about humans killing each other for greed, rather than "space invaders"!! (even we have them games!!)

[Dudebro]

I actually believe that there probably is a lot of life in the universe. I also believe that our understanding of goldilocks zone is infantile, we just have no way of knowing better at this point. I do not believe in the current UFO conspiracy theories because they all lack proof, all of them. If you have some proof to counter that you should alert the media asap.
I am not limiting my sources I'm asking you to get real ones. We've been through this before, you do not provide evidence or proof, just gut feelings and assumptions.

This is not the topic for conspiracies. This is meant to be a fun topic. Don't go off the rails.

[kernzy]

Geezer,
the media have had many a video on the news, many. nothing changes though, as they portray it tongue in cheek, for the very reason you started this subject with.(panic, death, etc). usually the report starts with "if you believe in little green men...", making anyone who watches the "evidence" scared to admit what they saw for real, for fear of ridicule from their peers, which is what may happen here! lol!!
you either believe what you see, or believe what you don't see. i prefer to believe what i can see. same as anyone should. to see something with your own eyes and not believe you saw it is a mental problem. (not you, just in general)
"our understanding of goldilocks zone is infantile". how so? too close is too hot, too far is too cold. simple.
you said "I actually believe that there probably is a lot of life in the universe.", but before you said that you portray witnesses to this are all liars, and it is not factual. maybe because you were not present. you need to make a decision.
if more people spent more time looking up instead of down, maybe they'd see something other than dog poo. how many people spend no time at all looking at the skies? about the same number of people that believe we are alone.
conspiracies are only "labelled" to make people not take interest. this is not a conspiracy. to say it is is misleading and very deflective.
it is also not an assumption or a gut feeling.
NASA themselves have many video's (some of which are on youtube) of ufo's. is NASA untrustworthy for proof? see for yourself.

[Dudebro]

I am not going to go back and forth about this. I don't want anyone else to either. This is a topic derail.

I don't appreciate being called a geezer. You are not allowed to personally insult other members, cut it out.

[kernzy]

geezer is a London term used instead of "mate" or "dude".
what do you think it means?

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ok, i see your cnfusion.
"In the U.K.: A guy, a bloke, a person in general. The British equivalent of the American slang word "dude".

In the U.S.: An old man, particularly one who is either cranky or eccentric. Rather derogatory term."
lost in translation...

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so, Dudebro,
are you not going to accept that i was not insulting you?
remember, over here we say nappies instead of diaper. aluminIum instead of aluminum. it's an easy mistake to make.
i just read a thread where you insulted somebody. i suggest you practice what you preach. and now you actually tell people to not respond to your own thread? you are a total control freak and an ultimate hypocrite. those are not insults, they are true observations. if it doesn't go your way, you try to screw it up. you don't mind people having a mind, as long as it's not their own. it has to be the same as yours.
you prefer to talk about childish nonsense.
"what if people turned into bacon and started frying each other" should be your next one.

i'll leave you to it...

[Dudebro]

I didn't reply because I didn't wanna continue this pointless derail. I accept that the term means something different in the UK.

You need to calm down. If you have a problem with me talk to one of the other site mods about it. I told people not to respond to your off topic posts because I don't want this topic ruined by it. I did not tell people to stop replying to the actual topic.

This ends right now. If you wanna post about your conspiracy theories do it in the right places. We even have a social group for them-
http://www.retrouprising.com/groups/48/
It gets no activity because the community here isn't interested in them. Feel free to try and change that if you want. If you continue to go offtopic and get aggressive one of the other site mods will have to get involved and put an end to it. That is not a threat or an attempt to censor you.



@Everyone else- Please feel free to continue having fun with the topic. If you have any "what if" ideas let me know in a PM.

[RevJ]

What if the ruler of North Korea, Kim Jong-un, had an epiphany and suddenly understood his country's situation, and wanted to rejoin the world and advance his nation? How would he deal with the military who are assumably enjoying the status quo with their privileged positions? What would Kim Jong-un be able to do?

(perhaps think of it as you're playing an action adventure game, you're Kim Jong-un and you have to survive and save the country ... where would YOU go, what would YOU do?)

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I think I would ...

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You did have a think and maybe a post about it first didn't you, cos I want to see what others may think..

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... try to gather as many of my key/trusted military personnel and defect to either China or South Korea. Make sure they set us all up with lots of money (if needed) and the chance to live out our lives anonymously down the track. Then use my cult status to explain to the North Koreans how the rest of the world is going to feed them and bring them into prosperity. War averted! Country saved!

[Dudebro]

I think he'd be killed and the reason would be covered up as poor health or something. The higher ups have nothing to gain from him freeing his country.