Dragon Saber "deleted score"?

[Master_of_the_Universe]

Why my score for Dragon Saber/coin-op was deleted, after I was announced as the new champion?

Took me many hours to make it

https://i.postimg.cc/CK2QYTrdsaber-img.png

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[Kong]

Fixed

[Master_of_the_Universe]

Originally Posted by Kong

Fixed

Meanwhile I "fixed it" myself, sending another, higher score

So, it was an auto bug.

[Master_of_the_Universe]

If in a racing game there is a tie in points but different times, the faster time wins?
For examble here there are 10 points with a time of 1'20"605. If I get 10 points too but with a time of 1'20"305, do I have the first place for sure ?

https://i.postimg.cc/6pCJYs5G/1.png

And one more question about this game

https://www.retrouprising.com/arcade.php?&act=Arcade&do=stats&gameid=8223#google _vignette

Looks like there are two winners. Which of these two times do I have to beat in order to take first place, 31731 or 31800?

[RevJ]

Hi Master,

What is the first game? If there is already a score of "10 points" and you also submit a score of "10 points" then currently any tie-breaker for first place will be made by the system based on the time measured by the system, not by any time that may appear on screen. As per an earlier reply by Kong: "Timer starts when game loads and timer ends when you press F12".

For Virtua Racing, this racing game is currently scored differently For this game the gameplay reviewer will record a version of the time converted into a number, and the game is set to recognise the lowest number as the best. So you want to get lower than 31731, ie a faster time than 3'17"31. However I can see that when you're looking at View Best Score Per Player for this game you don't see any of Razeluxe 's scores, including the best score of 31731.

@Kong I can't see why the above is happening. Seems to be a display issue but removing or reassigning the 'Cleared' against Razeluxe's scores didn't fix it

Cheers, John

[Master_of_the_Universe]

[looks like here will be my spot for questions and queries ]

Originally Posted by RevJ

What is the first game? If there is already a score of "10 points" and you also submit a score of "10 points" then currently any tie-breaker for first place will be made by the system based on the time measured by the system, not by any time that may appear on screen.

Yes, I was already told that. I asked something different.
The game is F1 Grand Prix Part 2 / Coin Op. Click on link to see the champion's screenshot

https://i.postimg.cc/6pCJYs5G/1.png

So, he has 10 points with a time of 1'20"605. If I get 10 points too but with a better time of 1'20"305, shall I be first or time doesn't mater?

Originally Posted by RevJ

For Virtua Racing, this racing game is currently scored differently For this game the gameplay reviewer will record a version of the time converted into a number, and the game is set to recognise the lowest number as the best.

Yes I know that as well, but there is a special issue with this game's scoreboard. Ikaris seems to be first(31,800) but Razeluxe has charged the first position(31,731).
Which of the two scores should I win to be first?

And btw John,
I see you are confirming my recent submissions, but what about the older ones? I have five games as "processing", some of them 11 days old.

[Kong]

Originally Posted by Master_of_the_Universe

If in a racing game there is a tie in points but different times, the faster time wins?

Yes, and time is counted from the time the game is fully loaded to the time you press F12.

There may be a temporary bug in this, if there is then it will be fixed.

The leaderboard points are currently paused while fixing all of the old scores. That process is 99% finished now and the leaderboard will be correctly recalculated probably next week.

Looks like there are two winners. Which of these two times do I have to beat in order to take first place, 31731 or 31800?

The correct top score is 31,731 and is fixed.

The two scores in Virtua Racing was an unknown and unrelated bug. If a game is tracked as a low score is best, and if player in first place separately submitted a score that was marked as a clear but the clear did not contain a score in the screenshot, then it would cause the score to correctly be listed as champion but not appear on the score board. This might have been the only game that met those conditions. It is fixed now.

[Master_of_the_Universe]

Originally Posted by Kong

Yes, and time is counted from the time the game is fully loaded to the time you press F12.

I understand this, but I 'm talking for the time of game's laps. Not for the time until F12. Can you see that screenshot? Player completed 3 laps in 1'20"605. Many players could get 10 point, but with different lap times.

[Kong]

I see, I thought you were referring to leaderboard points and not the points in the game.

I think everyone is submitting after completing only one race, but the game is not over. I think if you continue to complete more races then you gain more points. Problem is it seems if you do not complete the next race then you do not get to see or submit you score.

If just looking at scores after one race then the lowest time would be better than points but if the score combines after the first race then I think that would be better.

Do you want to try completing multiple races in one play and see if your scores are combined and if there is a good way to get your score on the screen after dying?

Before changing the score system I'd like to see what completing multiple races in on go looks like.

[Master_of_the_Universe]

No need to change the score system. Just tell me what is in force at the moment.
Suppose you complete a lap/stage and get 10 points with a time of 59sec.
Then I complete that lap/stage too and get the 10 points with a time of 58sec. Am I first?

[Kong]

Right now race time doesn't count at all. If you get 10 points and have the fastest time as measured by game loading until pressing f12 then you would be first. I'm assuming if you continued to play another race then you could get over 10 points and first place.

If you can not get over 10 points then I think the score system should change to ignore points and use race time.

I'd like to see you or someone else complete multiple races in one play to see how the points fully work.

[Master_of_the_Universe]

Originally Posted by Kong

Right now race time doesn't count at all. If you get 10 points and have the fastest time as measured by game loading until pressing f12 then you would be first.

Ok, I see.

Originally Posted by Kong

I'm assuming if you continued to play another race then you could get over 10 points and first place.

Yes, but its not always easy to complete another race.

Originally Posted by Kong

If you can not get over 10 points then I think the score system should change to ignore points and use race time.

Can you do that?

[Kong]

I'm going to leave F1 Grand Prix Part 2 score system as it is.

There are 3 races. If you finish in the top 6 you receive additional points and see your score and move on to the next race. If you don't finish in the top 6 then you don't receive a score and can not submit. You can submit after any race. If there is a tie the the winner will be the fastest score measured from time game loads until you press F12. Race time does not matter. So if you would like to get first place, then right now the best strategy would be get first in the first race and then 6th or better in second and then submit or press your luck and try for the third race.

[Master_of_the_Universe]

There are many racing games like F1 Grand Prix Part 2.
I agree, let the score system in these games as it is.

---------- Post added 02-24-2024 at 07:37 AM ---------- Previous post was 02-23-2024 at 02:51 PM ----------

Originally Posted by Kong

If there is a tie the the winner will be the fastest score measured from time game loads until you press F12.

I just did some research.

I checked Camcom Bowling first score. The duration of Tails inp is 1:46:82
(for a strange reason, game's page says "Cleared! Speedrun: 00:00:57". That's not possible, you can't throw 12 shots in just 57sec)

https://i.postimg.cc/Vknz6mVQ/Tails.png

Then I checked my own Capcom Bowling, the inp's duration is 1:44:45

https://i.postimg.cc/WzGQV14X/Master.png

Another issue is that I uploaded two Capcom Bowling inps, 28/1 and 5/2. The older inp is slower(1'53"64) but is what appears on the game page[View Best Score Per Player].

[Kong]

Fixed. StarfoxFan2009 has the correct fastest time, 1:34

[Master_of_the_Universe]

So, you deleted my Botanic/coin op score because of leeching. I just saw CaptainJivePants inp, he is leeching too. He doesn't go to end stage, he waits to eat insects and get more points. His score is verified!
Took me many hours to make that Botanic score, so I hope it will be restored.

[Kong]

http://www.retrouprising.com/arcade....ts&gameid=5019
I deleted JivePants 77,400 score and a few other scores. The correct high score is FudgyDRS 70,400. I verified that the current top 5 scores are played without leeching.

[Master_of_the_Universe]

Although I was declared first in Capcom Bowling by having the fastest time, my scoreboard says I' m still 4th and I don't get the 25 points

[Kong]

Fixed. Tied scores were not being calculated correctly before you brought it up and there are multiple code locations that needed to be updated and I haven't looked at any of this code in a decade so I kept missing some of them. All locations should be updated correctly now, I think.

Also fixed/updated. Scores outside of 10th place now give you 1 leaderboard point. Cleared games also now give you leaderboard points. Fastest clears are calculated same as high score.
First = 25
Second = 15
Third = 10
Fourth = 8
Fifth = 7
Sixth = 6
Seventh = 5
Eighth = 4
Ninth = 3
Tenth = 2
All others = 1


So if you have the third best score in a game and second fastest clear time then you will get 15 + 10 = 25 leaderboard points for that game.

For scores, if a tie then fastest time, if still a tie then earliest submission date.
For clears, fastest time, then best score then earliest submission.

Scores submitted before 2011-ish do not have recorded time so for ties they come after any score with a time.

The leaderboard scores are recalculated only once per day, around 7am UTC.

[Master_of_the_Universe]

I recommend that you don't give points for the "cleared", because "cleared" is not working properly. Actually it would be a good idea to remove it.

Its a good move to fix ties in games like World Class Bowling, because it has wrong champion. In Capcom Bowling I' m the champion, but another player keeps the first place.
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[Kong]

What do you mean? Cleared is working and both bowling games look right.

[Master_of_the_Universe]

Well, the "clears" don't offer much. Because many games don't end, and because some games end easily (e.g. bowlings, everyone can make a 'cleared' bowling, with any score) and some games don't have a clear ending. In some games with end, players only play one stage and deposit the score of it, because score of the other stages will not appear/not be added.

On the other hand, the confirmers cannot always correctly distinguish a "cleared". Where is my "cleared" in
Double Axle
F1 Exhaust Note
F1 Grand Prix Star 2
Grand Prix Star
Pocket Racer
Ridge Racer
Suzuka 8 Hours
Suzuka 8 Hours 2
Tetris
3D Bowling
Ultra Tank
(all coin ops) Shall I get the 'cleared' points of all these games?

---------- Post added 03-03-2024 at 08:02 AM ---------- Previous post was 03-01-2024 at 05:52 PM ----------

Unfortunately the problem with the ties remains.

You fixed Capcom Bowling (although StarfoxFan on the gamepage appears No1) but what about World Class Bowling? With my previous upload I have the fastest time, but not the first place.
Additionally, in Face Off I uploaded 3 equivalents to FudgyDRS inputs (4-1, 4-1, 3-0) all faster. However, my scorepage says I'm second.

I'm not interested in points anymore since you mixed them with Cleared's, but only in first positions. And these mistaken second positions ruin my "average rank"

[Kong]

Originally Posted by Master_of_the_Universe

On the other hand, the confirmers cannot always correctly distinguish a "cleared". Where is my "cleared" in

I corrected the clears for everyone in the games you listed and added notes for the confirmers so they will be less likely to be over looked again.

If you have a score where the score number is flipped (runs out of digits and starts over at zero) or is a clear, it is helpful to add that info to the score comments.

because some games end easily

Also some scores are much easier than other scores. Not all clears and not all scores are equally difficult.

But I partly agree with your point about clears. I will reduce the points for them.

Leaderboard Points for Scores
First Place = 25
Second = 15
Third = 10
Fourth = 8
Fifth = 7
Sixth = 6
Seventh = 5
Eighth = 4
Ninth = 3
Tenth = 2
All Others = 1

Leaderboard Points for Clears:
Fastest = 5
Second = 3
Third = 2
All Others = 1

You fixed Capcom Bowling (although StarfoxFan on the gamepage appears No1)

I do not see this. I see your name as first in all places for this game

but what about World Class Bowling?

lastexposfan is still fastest. Since you didn't know about ties when you submitted, I can delete your scores in this game if you would like?

Additionally, in Face Off

Your fastest INP file is fastest but the site calculates slightly different than then the INP file. I don't remember exactly what the difference is and I'll have to look it up. But your INP file in Face Off is faster than FudgyDRS but not in faster in the way that the site measures. I'll look into what the difference is.

[Master_of_the_Universe]

About clears, sometimes you have to slow down your game to get a higher score. So, I would give same points to all clears.
Some games give you a certain clear, you don't have to try for it.
In the "Cleared Game Tracker" topic some posts say funny numbers like "bobg cleared 3D Bowling in 00:00:02"

Originally Posted by Kong

I do not see this. I see your name as first in all places for this game

If I click on game's name I get this

https://i.postimg.cc/NG7SGXWN/capcom-image.png

Only if I click on View All Scores I see me as No1.

Originally Posted by Kong

lastexposfan is still fastest.

I sent 3 uploads, the last one is 1'52". Lastexposfan is 2'07", right? If not, what are the correct times?
The times written on the game page seem to be wrong
lastexposfan...2:07
OmegaShadow...2:05
Tails...2:06 (this looks correct)
StarfoxFan2009...2:41
Smash...2:47

Originally Posted by Kong

Your fastest INP file is fastest but the site calculates slightly different than then the INP file. I don't remember exactly what the difference is and I'll have to look it up. But your INP file in Face Off is faster than FudgyDRS but not in faster in the way that the site measures. I'll look into what the difference is.

Can't you just fix it manually? I sent 3 inps, all faster but I'm still second??
Its too difficult to make 4-0, because after 3-0 the computer/opponent makes 3-1 immediately.

[Kong]

On 3D Bowling I see "bobg Cleared! Speedrun: 00:00:00". Which means there is no time recorded and all scores without time come at the end.

If I click on game's name I get this

https://i.postimg.cc/NG7SGXWN/capcom-image.png

I do not see that. Maybe try clearing cache by pressing Control + F5 on that page.

In World Class Bowling the fastest 300 score from
Lastexposfan:
according to the way the scoreboard measures it is: 1:55
according to the INP: 1:46.53

Master_of_the_Universe:
according to the way the scoreboard measures it is: 2:02
according to the INP: 1:52.80

In Face Off:
FudgyDRS:
according to the way the scoreboard measures it is: 2:45
according to the INP: 3:06.81

Master_of_the_Universe:
according to the way the scoreboard measures it is: 2:53
according to the INP: 2:56:38


In games that are just a few minutes or less the site and INP numbers do not match up perfect. In longer games they do. The INP number is probably more accurate but there is no easy way to switch to that number. I have forgotten the reason for the difference. Next week I'll look into the old code and see what the reason is but there will most likely be no change as it would be way too difficult and time consuming to convert all scores to the INP number.

But I will look into Face Off in next week.