Current events!

[Seahawk]

Nice, you named one country in the region.
Here is some perspective about that:
Saudi prince to donate $32bn fortune to charity - BBC News

Now tell why it is their responsibility to eradicate ISIS for us?

[Dudebro]

Nice, you named one country in the region.

JG and I were discussing them specifically right before your post. They are the super power in the region and they share the same faith as Isis. They have the money and the military to stop this but they choose not to. I think my criticism of them is very valid.

Here is some perspective about that:

Yeah I know about that. Why is it relevant that one of the princes is donating money to his own charity? Also he's known to be progressive and stands in stark contrast to his family and the policies of the government. He's the exception, or at least he's pretending to be.

Now tell why it is their responsibility to eradicate ISIS for us?

Why is it our responsibility? Countries in the region always talk about how foreigners should stay out of muslim affairs, well who better to deal with it than powerful muslims from the region? Surely Isis threatens all peaceful people right? It's time for muslims to put their money where their mouth is. If Islam is a religion of peace then prove it by resisting this group of radicals who are tarnishing their faith and brutally butchering their own people. I realize that sounds contradictory but like the old saying says "If you want peace, prepare for war".

[samejamesbond]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Oh sure poor Saudi Arabia. The royal family only has over 100 billion or more between them and they're in the top five for military spending in the world. They're one of the biggest military importers and that stuff is top of the line. But yeah Isis is too much for them to handle.

That's cause Iran is a stone throw away across the Persian Gulf and
have been wanting to pound the Saudi infidels into oblivion for quite
some time now.

Iran has over twice the man power Saudi Arabia has, sure they're a
little behind in military tech, but they can do serious damage to the
Saudi state if they crossed the pond.

ISIS isn't nearly as close and isn't nearly as big a threat.

I do agree that the royal family does have a lot of money to burn.
Saudi prince criticised for offering Bentleys to pilots bombing Yemen - Telegraph

[Dudebro]

Iran has over twice the man power Saudi Arabia has, sure they're a
little behind in military tech, but they can do serious damage to the
Saudi state if they crossed the pond.

Iran has a relatively primitive military and very little international support. SA could wipe the floor with them if they wanted to. They don't because in reality SA is an enemy of the US/Israel and they don't wanna do anything to hinder other enemies of the US/Israel.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Why is it our responsibility?

Because we (meaning the United States) has decided we don't like ISIS and we want them to be destroyed.
Historically we have basically made other countries do our bidding or get bombed but that is over thanks to Dubya's messes in Afghanistan/Iraq and Obama's complete mishandling of Syria which directly kicked off ISIS.

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Countries in the region always talk about how foreigners should stay out of muslimtheir international affairs

We really should. 60 years of interference in the region hasn't worked, ever.
Every independent country in the world says the same thing. Interesting how you frame their international sovereignty as 'muslim affairs'.

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Surely Isis threatens all peaceful people right?

Their 'threat' is vastly overblown.

Originally Posted by Dudebro

well who better to deal with it than powerful muslims from the region? It's time for muslims to put their money where their mouth is. If Islam is a religion of peace then prove it by resisting this group of radicals who are tarnishing their faith and brutally butchering their own people.

You have quite the bias here.

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Iran has a relatively primitive military and very little international support. SA could wipe the floor with them if they wanted to. They don't because in reality SA is an enemy of the US/Israel and they don't wanna do anything to hinder other enemies of the US/Israel.

You should probably become more informed of international affairs. Or get some realistic perspective. Here's your personal stance regarding Greenpeace attacking Japanese whaling ships.

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Not all acts of terrorism are automatically wrong.

[Dudebro]

Because we (meaning the United States) has decided we don't like ISIS and we want them to be destroyed.

Wait, so you're saying the US is wrong to say Isis needs to be stopped? Do you support them?

that is over thanks to Dubya's messes in Afghanistan/Iraq and Obama's complete mishandling of Syria which directly kicked off ISIS.

So because we started the fire no one else is able to help put it out even if they're in a better position to do so?

We really should. 60 years of interference in the region hasn't worked, ever.
Every independent country in the world says the same thing. Interesting how you frame their international sovereignty as 'muslim affairs'.

Great then you agree that the middle eastern countries should step up and solve this. I'm not framing anything I'm specifically talking about muslim countries in relation to Isis.

Their 'threat' is vastly overblown.

Says you. I think routine murders of political/religious opposition, destruction of historical sites and ruling by the sword/gun is enough to make them an international threat. It's not like they're even claiming to want peace either.

You have quite the bias here.

Like I said before we're specifically talking about muslims and islam in the middle east. Should I start discussing Australia in relation to New Zealand so I don't appear bias?

You should probably become more informed of international affairs.

Oh that really hurts coming from someone who is apparently soft on a group like Isis. And yeah I still support that quote, in defense of the truly defenseless it is sometimes necessary to resort to terrorizing your enemy. I'm not saying you should burn them alive or train children to behead them though, that would be Isis level insanity.

[samejamesbond]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Iran has a relatively primitive military and very little international support. SA could wipe the floor with them if they wanted to. They don't because in reality SA is an enemy of the US/Israel and they don't wanna do anything to hinder other enemies of the US/Israel.

Iran vs Saudi Arabia

Iran isn't terribly primitive in equipment, they still have powerful F-
14 Tomcats in their airforce that could outdo the F-15 Eagles Saudi
Arabia has. Their tanks are backwards though, the Zulfiqar doesn't come
close to the power of the Arams M1 the Saudis have.

Ultimately, it'll comedown to manpower and Iran has them far trumped
and definitely could occupy the Saudi lands. Saudi Arabia knows this
and it's why they're so close the Americans.

Especially when they're so close:


That being said, Saudi Arabia is attacking ISIS with the coalition. They
want more military action cause they see it isn't working but they are
doing their part.

Side note: Clearly not all terrorism is bad when Confederate Terrorists
led to Barnum and Bailey Circus!

[Dudebro]

Ultimately, it'll comedown to manpower

And that won't matter if they attack someone with lots of powerful allies. Besides Russia and terrorists who supports Iran?

[RU Joe]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

That's why I said that I don't just mean Isis. The governments in the region aren't exactly falling all over themselves to stop this murdering band of lunatics. I doubt countries like SA are afraid of Isis so the natural conclusion is they support them.

Well, there's some news on this which I find difficult to believe:
No, this isn't difficult for me to believe - it's impossible.

Saudi Arabia says it broke up planned Islamic State attacks as death toll rises in Iraq blast
Yeah SA is a real League of Superheroes for sure, fighting for justice and freedom.

.. remember their 'Free Kuwait' scandal, where they had one of their Princesses pretend to be an Iraqi who 'witnessed babies being thrown out of incubators' by Iraqi soldiers under Saddam Hussein?

Not only are they documented liars, SA is the kind of place where you can be killed for just about any imaginary crime including but not limited to being accused of practicing Witchcraft, and by that measure I do not think that they would give a shit what other evil people like ISIS are doing; seems to me they'd be taking pointers and cheering them on.
No, Saudi Arabia is more like a cesspit of unspeakable horrors and social injustice devoid of reason, incomparable in today's world with very few exceptions, thankfully.
BACK to the original story of the shooting in Chatanooga, it seems you were right DB, this guy was linked to Islam:

Tennessee suspect texted friend link to Islamic verse before attack

[samejamesbond]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

And that won't matter if they attack someone with lots of powerful allies. Besides Russia and terrorists who supports Iran?

Yes invasion is unlikely, but it's still good to have a standing army
just in case. Switzerland will likely never be invaded by its neighbors
(though that won't stop it from invading: Liechtenstein: no retaliation for
Swiss 'invasion' | World news | The Guardian) but times change and
it never hurts to keep a large standing army.

Also, just cause you're far smaller to your opponents that hasn't kept
nations from invading regardless:
The Huelocaust

Paraguay once declared war on Brazil, Argentina and Uruguay at the same
time. What proceeded was likely the biggest ass kicking in recorded
history, Paraguay lost almost 70% of it's population and 90%+ of its
male population (Only ~28,000 men survived).

Brasil Stronk.

[Seahawk]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Wait, so you're saying the US is wrong to say Isis needs to be stopped? Do you support them?

No and no.

Originally Posted by Dudebro

So because we started the fire no one else is able to help put it out even if they're in a better position to do so?

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Great then you agree that the middle eastern countries should step up and solve this.

No one else is obligated to fight for us, especially when we started things off by invading other countries in the first place. I don't know why you think they're ultimately responsible for our mess.

The only two powers that could even begin to fight ISIS are Iran and Saudi Arabia, and they are currently involved in proxy wars against each other in Iraq. ISIS is in the region but it's not really a nuisance to them at this point in time.

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Says you. I think routine murders of political/religious opposition, destruction of historical sites and ruling by the sword/gun is enough to make them an international threat. It's not like they're even claiming to want peace either.

Let's be honest, we don't seriously care about this happening countless times all over the world every day. We also don't seriously care about it happening in regions controlled by ISIS.

[Dudebro]

Originally Posted by JG

it seems you were right DB, this guy was linked to Islam

When this story broke I was hoping it wasn't a muslim because it just adds more fuel to the fire on both sides.

Originally Posted by SJB

Brasil Stronk.

They ruthless too. They have absolutely no Ruths in Brazil.

No one else is obligated to fight for us, especially when we started things off by invading other countries in the first place. I don't know why you think they're ultimately responsible for our mess.

I don't think anyone is responsible for our mess. I'm saying they need to step up and stop this since the US obviously can't. Fanatical muslims aren't gonna listen to the great satan, we know that and so does every other ME country. Other countries in the region don't want us meddling anymore either. So naturally that leaves it up to them to fix it. The only alternatives are do nothing and let the region descend into a complete warzone for decades or ask for foreign assistance and have a different kind of warzone.

Muslims claim their religion is one of peace. Well if they want the rest of us to believe it they need to make it a reality. You can't just sit by and watch people commit genocide in your faiths name and expect people to over look it. There's a reason there's so much hate for Islam throughout the world and it's not just bigotry. Where there's smoke there's fire.

ISIS is in the region but it's not really a nuisance to them at this point in time.

Yeah as long as they're brutally slaughtering westerners and muslims of a different sect it's not a big deal. How compassionate of them. I think this inaction speaks volumes.

Let's be honest, we don't seriously care about this happening countless times all over the world every day. We also don't seriously care about it happening in regions controlled by ISIS.

Not everyone is as jaded as you. I care that innocent people are slaughtered by religious nuts. I care that these nuts are blowing up historical sites. I care that they're getting stronger and gaining support from neighboring countries. It doesn't effect me directly right now but if it continues it could threaten everyone.

[Kugyince]

Let me introduce you to Ruth Serrão, a Brazilian concert pianist.

[RU Joe]

DB is correct when he said Islam claims to be a religion of peace; so does almost every other religion but upon closer examination you will find invariably their main goal is world domination - they often state it in friendlier terms though.

ONE other thing about peace - graveyards are among the most peaceful of places.

DB:

They have absolutely no Ruths in Brazil.

Ten:

Let me introduce you to Ruth Serrão, a Brazilian concert pianist.

Well whaddyaknow.

[Dudebro]

You guys are joke killers.

[Slime Slayer]

Huge explosion in China... wouldn't be surprised if the death toll is well into the thousands.

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLfen9rjfvI"]直击天津滨海新匠ºÃ§Ë†â€*炸瞬间 现场å“Â�声震天 - YouTube[/ame]

[DrunkN]

China explosions: Dozens killed in Tianjin port blasts - BBC News

Looks like at least 50 people are dead, with greater numbers expected to be discovered within the day. Half a thousand reported injured.

Must be crazy property damage here. Collapsed buildings, molten cars, broken windows, not to mention the wares of the industrial zone. There's also the various medical bills as well.


China silences netizens critical of "disgraceful" blast coverage - BBC News

I am curious as to whether or not the families of the deceased will be provided any kind of relief from the Chinese government, or if they will speak as little about this event as possible as damage control.

[RU Joe]

DN:

... they will speak as little about this event as possible as damage control.

^ This.

If they do let their people speak, I think they'll have a row of tanks behind the cameras with the guns pointed at them to make sure they 'stick to the script', ala Tiananmen Square - it's the Chinese {Gov't} way!

[DrunkN]

Originally Posted by RU Joe

DN:
^ This.

If they do let their people speak, I think they'll have a row of tanks behind the cameras with the guns pointed at them to make sure they 'stick to the script', ala Tiananmen Square - it's the Chinese {Gov't} way!

I dunno about guns... China is a messed up place for sure but let's not joke as if they're Norks.

[RU Joe]

DN:

Norks.

Non - Orks?

< Ork: the planet cocaine came from.

[RU Joe]

Boston police thwart possible shooting at Pokemon game competition

Detectives learned they had toted a 12-gauge shotgun, an AR-15 rifle, several hundred rounds of ammunition, and a hunting knife in their car from Iowa, Boston police said in a statement.

The Pokemon championships brought playing-card and video game competitors to Boston from August 21 through Sunday, according to its website.
On Thursday, Hynes Convention Center security staff alerted police about threats of violence made over social media against participants at the Pokemon World Championships, police said.
The men were stopped trying to enter the event hours later, Boston police said.

This is ridiculous beyond words.

[ZedIsDead]

Well, I hope the cops caught 'em all. I'll see myself out.

[Dudebro]

This is ridiculous beyond words.

I dunno if it's all that ridiculous. When you have a bunch of grown people obsessed with something childish like Pokemon you're bound to have a few dangerous nuts mixed in the bag.

[Tails]

All that for an exclusive pokemon event? Psh.

[RU Joe]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

I dunno if it's all that ridiculous. When you have a bunch of grown people obsessed with something childish like Pokemon you're bound to have a few dangerous nuts mixed in the bag.

How are people attending a Pokemon convention 'obsessed'?

Also, I don't think these guys were Pokemon fans, more like Pokemon haters; the article said they were making threatening/ hate posts just prior to the event.
Those nuts were from a completely different 'bag'.

Zed:

Well, I hope the cops caught 'em all. I'll see myself out

Grab yer hat and walk on~!

Tails:

All that for an exclusive pokemon event? Psh.

That is why I said it's ridiculous; next we'll be hearing about some guys hating on old grannies' knitting clubs and planned attacks on them at this rate.