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Old 09-18-2014, 11:53 PM   #551
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Scotland says Nay to independence:
BBC News - Scottish referendum: Voters to reject independence - BBC
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Just wondering, why are those people so happy? You get to stay in the UK? Hooray?
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Just wondering, why are those people so happy? You get to stay in the UK? Hooray?
Well, if you really passionately wanted something and you got it I'm sure
you'd be ecstatic about it too.

It's not over yet though, the government's gonna have to give more powers
to Scotland as promised. As for what they'll be remains to be said.
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The vote was 55%/45% with an 85% voter turnout.

I imagine the discontent with the current political system within that 45% is not going to go away just because they lost the vote. So what changes? After being divided over the vote, what happens to reunify these people? This was for independence after all. And how does this effect other UK regions like Wales?
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I was curious what the Union Flag would look like without the blue field or if Ireland would've taken the opportunity to have the flag changed altogether. Still, good for Scotland.
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Ok, guess this opens up the stage for me, resident Scot of RU!

Might as well start out by saying that I was in fact in favour of independence, and my vote did indeed reflect that.

So far, all the coverage has stated that there is no way that the status quo will reign supreme: the media has been a strong advocate of no throughout, while social media has been the main movement for yes. Incredible grassroots movement.

The main problems that I have with these supposed 'extra powers for Scotland' are that a) we would have MORE than they will ever give us if we had voted Yes, and b)we have had examples of Westminster politics being nothing but fabrications in the past.

For those that are unaware, there was a vote on Scottish Devolution in 1979 (the result was a resounding No) where the parties promised more for Scotland - promises that were never met.

Fast forward to 1997 - we have a second referendum on devolution for Scotland. Resounding Yes, and smiles all round from the "left-wing" Labour politicians that have ushered in the new era in British politics. The important thing to note about the Scottish devolved parliament was the electoral system, a mix of part constituency, part proportional representation. Designed to prevent a majority (nationalist) party vote.

Fast forward once again to 1999. The night before the Scottish Parliament officially started. Tony Blair and Donald Dewar managed to push through a "secondary motion" as a fail safe to help prevent a possible independence movement. They change historical maritime borders, starting from Berwick (borders) and heading North, almost to Aberdeen. Waters that were Scottish, suddenly became English. Without any sort of parliamentary movement. Hardly a show of good faith, wouldn't you say?

1999 Scottish election, Labour win a minority government and the SNP lead the opposition. Where they should be, I believe was the attitude from all those good, upstanding politicians.

Fast forward to 2006, and SNP have the possibility to be in government; either by entering a coalition with one of the other parties, or on their own as a minority government. They opt for the latter. Still not enough of a push for independence (which would have peaked at 35% in favour at this time, if they were lucky), so they just get on with doing a rather good job of promoting civic nationalism, the idea that it's not nationalism in terms of where you are from (ethnic nationalism), but instead where you are now.

Big difference from, say, UKIP or (dare I say it) the BNP.

Fast forward to 2011 - Scotland has seen a remarkable SNP government in minority; prescriptions and university level education free at the point of use, council tax freezes, etc etc. It doesn't take much thinking before you realise that actually they do a damn good job of running a state! So it's no surprise to the people of Scotland that we elect a majority SNP government (again, which the system was DESIGNED to prevent!)

Of course, being a nationalist party, they do have independence on the cards. So, of course, they approach the UK government, currently a coalition between right wing Conservatives and Liberal Democrats (don't think I need to explain a Liberal to you Yanks...), who say (quite surprisingly) that actually it is important to honour promises made before coming to power, and wanting to a) call their bluff and b) find out the real feeling in the Scottish electorate, decide to go ahead and give them their referendum. A Yes/No, Should Scotland be an independent country? The talk of further devolution for Scotland within the UK, however, was off the table at this point.

Fast forward, one last time, to this year, 2014. 2 years of campaigning for and against independence, Yes Scotland and Better Together (personally, a horrible name. Sounds like something you'd say just because a divorce would be too lengthy and tiresome, so you might as well just stick together because it'll be easier). Two weeks before the day of the vote, the first poll suggested there could be a lead for Yes. Excluding undecided votes, Yes were at 51% and No were at 49%. So what happens next, but a rehashing of some unexplained promises from the three main Westminster parties of more powers for Scotland and a sudden move to get the three main Westminster parties (who had pledged to remain out of the Scottish referendum) into Scotland and campaign wholeheartedly for a No vote. Former prime minister Gordon Brown provides a timetable for delivering the extra powers for Scotland, which we still don't know what they look like. (Speaking as of today, the day after the referendum, we STILL do not know what these powers actually are.) This timetable, which is totally unconstitutional to the UK, has already been dismissed by backbench Westminster politicians who pledge to stop any further powers to Scotland.

D Day arrives, the day the world watches Scotland, and no-one but us have a say in the most important debate in the world for that one moment. One moment to put a cross in a box, a moment to wish away or welcome our Westminster overlords southern cousins.

The results come in. Four small communities provide a resounding no, the city of Dundee present the first Yes of the night, when a lot of people have already lost interest. Followed closely by West Dumbartonshire, who's ballots put the Yes campaign in the lead! (For a grand total of five minutes...) after that, it can only seem to go for no. Seems like the No campaigns incredibly patronising slogan of "if you don't know, vote no" was more popular than it should have been. A couple more for Yes, including North Lanarkshire and the city of Glasgow itself, which was a major win in and of its own. (City of Glasgow also had the lowest turnout rate of 75%, and I have to say that is ridiculously high for a lowest!) Fife, the third last community to provide their vote, provide the final blow. Yes 45%, No 55%. Even including a 100% turnout for the remaining to constituencies, both with 100% Yes votes, we cannot win at this point.

So we look to our Westminster overlords southern cousins, and out comes the old Etonian from No 10. I won't tell you what he said, instead I'll link it here.

A No for Scotland, a Yes for radical change to the United Kingdom, and the possibility of a devolved English Parliament. That is the outcome of the Great Scottish Debate, and I'm not sure it's one to be proud of or not.

At least we can rejoice, as the politicians viewing the results coming in did, and note that this is indeed a victory for democracy.

Whatever that may mean.

EDIT: While I was writing this, it was brought to my attention that Aleck Salmond, the leader of the SNP and indeed the Yes movement in Scotland has resigned today, potentially in light of news from Westminster (Cameron) that the timetable for more powers for Scotland will not be met.

He has agreed to stand down in November rather than stand for re-nomination as leader, however he will continue to stand for MSP (Member of Scottish Parliament) for his home constituency of Aberdeenshire East.

I wonder what he is up to this time...

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Old 09-19-2014, 12:05 PM   #557
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There are numerous reasons both sides care about this. Here are a couple.

Scotland has 20 years worth of good oil mining reserves left. England wants to exploit that. After Scotland is dry England will probably care much less.

Scotland doesn't want to give up the British Pound for the Euro.

The new UK flag would look stupid.



Votes are cast by people who form their opinion from propaganda paid for by uber rich people that have a financial interest in the outcome. Why do people still trust commercials. As a general rule of thumb the best no research vote is the opposite of the best financed political advice your TV gives you.
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That isn't as big an issue over here as it is in the states.

Yes, there was a movement (whether you believe it was orchestrated by Westminster or not) that saw the banks and supermarkets exaggerating the worst of independence - RBS proposed (after Westminster leaked the information to the BBC) to move the brass plaque that says "HQ" on it to an office in London, while pledging not to affect jobs or operations in Scotland.

Various supermarkets had something to say, notably John Lewis and ASDA (the latter being our equivalent of WalMart) that prices would rise. To which a rival, Tesco, said that there would be no such rise in cost, and they would more than welcome ASDA's price rises as it allows them to make more profit!

Yes, the new UK flag would look stupid, but I agree with journalist Charlie Brooker, I opt for a complete overhaul featuring a crying brown oblong!
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I thought the majority would vote for independence. It strikes me as odd that about half the people wanna remain as part of the empire that has treated them so poorly up until fairly recently. That's from my limited murrican perspective though, of course.
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I tried to cover the main points as to why there was a No vote, maybe I wasn't clear enough.

There was a big thing because people don't understand currency unions and sterlingisation (think Panama using the Dollar), and that actually sterlingisation isn't the worst outcome. Panama does after all have one of the most stable economies.

The "promise" of more powers within a fast turn around while remaining within the UK is an understandable ideal, the idea being that people are disenfranchised with Westminster (as indeed they are with so-called western democracies around most of the biggest countries) however aren't secure in the knowledge that a Yes was the best way to go.

Alex Salmond clarified his position earlier in the month as he had previously stated that this was a once in a generation thing, however he stated that he meant a political generation, of around 18-20 years.

However, having had this one, I don't see us having another independence referendum in 5 years time, but I do see the idea of a growing distrust of Westminster as early as March, when their proposed deal on more powers for Scotland being "finalised" fails miserably.

And not for lack of the willingness of the Scottish people.

DB, I agree with you. Why we didn't go for it, I'll never be able to say. Many people have many reasons. I wanted it, because I'd rather have that level of say.

I'd rather lose the UK and start over, I want to see an equal partnership arise out of these islands, and indeed the world.

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No I'm sure you were. The problem is I TL;DRed your post because I know next to nothing about the subject and I didn't wanna learn it right now.

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I don't see us having another referendum in 5 years time. We need the consent of the Westminster government, and we know that they won't allow it so soon.

As I said though, I can easily see thousands of peaceful Scots exercising their right to peaceful protest outside Westminster come March.
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AC/DC's Malcolm Young has been forced into retirement due to Dementia

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1st USA ebola case confirmed in Dallas.

CDC: Ebola confirmed in Dallas patient

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Especially since according to that map, we started way back in April of 2008.
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Dallas Ebola patient Thomas Duncan has died.
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NJ HS football team has season forfeited for bullying and hazing.

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Good, has no place in a locker room and any player or coach who claims they didn't see it or know about is almost certainly lying.
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So kids are literally going wild over these new 'evil doll' movies.

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Prequel about a demonic doll caused riots, leading cinemas in Marseille, Strasbourg and Montpellier to cancel screenings
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It's sad because the movie actually looks dumb.
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Re: Current events!

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It's sad because the movie actually looks dumb.
Just like most movies now; a bunch of CGI carp with poor acting.
About 'Annabelle':
I think they're trying to re - kindle the 'Chucky' magic ..

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.. combined with 'The Exorcist'?
{or some other movie dealing with possession, demons and stuff}

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.. and it keeps getting funnier, every time I see it!



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Tiffany from 'Seed of Chucky' was better.



And is it just me or does the Tiffany doll look just like Hillary Clinton?

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The sudden realization you'd been doing something wrong without knowing it, then hoping it's not too late to fix it.

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