President!

[Stupid Flanders]

The Democratic nomination was decided a few days ago, and the presidential race has begun! This is for anyone who would like to comment about the presidency or politics in general.

[Tails]

they are both idiots.

[oasis]

well you cant just say they both are idiots you have to say why... but none of these people will be very good but on the other hand the president does not do much he still has to answer to congress... unless you belive in conspericys.

[Tails]

Originally Posted by oasis

well you cant just say they both are idiots you have to say why... but none of these people will be very good but on the other hand the president does not do much he still has to answer to congress... unless you belive in conspericys.

obama wants to give the lazy people of america soemthing for nothing and punish the peopel who try. 40% of your salary is taxes and it goes to africa? PLEEEEEEEEASE.

Maccain.. is Mcsame. aka same as bush.

[david man45]

Mccain=Skeletor
I say hilary because when her husband was the presiden, the country wasn't in debt. We were in a surplus and he may have givin her some tips.

[Tails]

Originally Posted by david man45

Mccain=Skeletor
I say hilary because when her husband was the presiden, the country wasn't in debt. We were in a surplus and he may have givin her some tips.

and he got some bedtime with luinski!

[Dudebro]

Personally, I don't care much about what a canidate says since they ALL lie. I want Obama to win. He's a smart guy, he talks with confidence. And of course he's black. I think it's way over due that we have a president who's not white. Hopefully it makes all the racist morons leave the country.

And did anyone really think Hillary had a chance? Like people would allow Bill back in. Even if it's only as first man or whatever.

[Tails]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Personally, I don't care much about what a canidate says since they ALL lie. I want Obama to win. He's a smart guy, he talks with confidence. And of course he's black. I think it's way over due that we have a president who's not white. Hopefully it makes all the racist morons leave the country.

And did anyone really think Hillary had a chance? Like people would allow Bill back in. Even if it's only as first man or whatever.

who cares about race Obama is not read yet.

[Dudebro]

Originally Posted by Tails

who cares about race Obama is not read yet.

I assume you mean ready. But yeah, he's inexperienced. BUT, cmon, look at our current president. Can't go much lower than that.
And, alot of people care about race. Otherwise Obama would've be as big a deal as he is. Right?

[Tails]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

I assume you mean ready. But yeah, he's inexperienced. BUT, cmon, look at our current president. Can't go much lower than that.
And, alot of people care about race. Otherwise Obama would've be as big a deal as he is. Right?

id rather have a war-vertern than an inexperienced guy.

[TrakMastaTom]

What does having fought in a war have to do with running a government? I don't find any relationship. We have had tons of presidents that didn't fight in wars.

[Tails]

Originally Posted by TrakMastaTom

What does having fought in a war have to do with running a government? I don't find any relationship. We have had tons of presidents that didn't fight in wars.

well we are in a war so he would know what to do instead of just withdrawing.

when have actually had a decent president? Bush cr.?

[TrakMastaTom]

There is alot more to running a country than knowing what to do in time of war. Also, just because someone has fought in a war doesn't mean they know how to handle troop management and all that.

[Tails]

Originally Posted by TrakMastaTom

There is alot more to running a country than knowing what to do in time of war. Also, just because someone has fought in a war doesn't mean they know how to handle troop management and all that.

very true but its either obama or mccain and Mccain atleast has to know some knowledge to get Republican nomination, the only thing i have doubts in is his age. I know we won't have a good president for a long time, but i dont want free health care we have to wait months to go to the doctor, i dont want our paychecks to be drained less and sent to a country when we need it our selves. we need to hel[p ourselves not anyone else right now.

[Dudebro]

As a person I like McCain but some of the stuff he Pretends to stand for during the election piss me off. He caters too much to religious nut jobs. The same people who got Bush elected will surely vote for McCain and that's good enough proof for me that he shouldn't be President.

Honestly I doubt Obama has a chance of winning though. Most of the people who vote all the time are people who wanna push their agendas. Those people are mainly older, religious people and a good majority are racist. Simple as that. I'm not trying to say they're all racist but it's not hard to imagine the majority are. That and the whole "OMG he's black and Muslim!!!1!". The propaganda people have been pushing that as much as possible while McCain is painted as the all american (don't forget old and white) war hero. Makes me angry.

Sorry to rant but politics piss me off.

[mj23]

Originally Posted by Tails

and he got some bedtime with luinski!
[/quote]

only reason she ran was for revenge

[Tails]

Originally Posted by mj23

and he got some bedtime with luinski!

only reason she ran was for revenge
[/quote]luinski didn't run?

[Kong]

I have given up on politics. I don't care. They are all bought and paid for by the same people. There is no real/meaningful difference between any of them. I think Ron Paul is an exception. I think he is running because he wants to make things better. The others have selfish agendas. It makes me feel like my vote is worthless because there is no real choice.

Anyways because I have given up on politics I do not know much about any of this.

Originally Posted by Tails

they are both idiots.

I imagine all of the candidates are extremely intelligent. I know Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. That is a very prestigious scholarship. I doubt he would marry an idiot.

Originally Posted by Tails

40% of your salary is taxes and it goes to africa?

There is not a flat tax in America. Meaning everyone pays a different % rate. Most people that pay close to 40% are probably upper middle class. Sabby would be able to answer that better than me though.

1. All of our taxes do not go to Africa.
2. I assume you are implying that our taxes go to Africa as aid. USA donates a lower percentage of our GDP than any other industrialized nation. Although since our GDP is the highest we are still the largest foreign aid contributor.
3. Most (over 50%) of our taxes fund our foreign policy (war).
4. You shouldn't make generalizations. It undermines your point.

Originally Posted by david man45

I say hilary because when her husband was the presiden, the country wasn't in debt. We were in a surplus and he may have givin her some tips.

1. We were in debt under Clinton. Not as much as we are now but we were in debt and he had the Internet Bubble to help him.
2. Andrew Jackson in 1835 is the only US president to ever have zero debt and it was only for a portion of his term.
3. I have a problem with electing relatives of former presidents. It sounds too much like monarchies. Have we really come to the point where the most important part of a presidential resume is have you ever called a ex-president daddy. There is a presidential term limit for a very good reason. Having your son or wife run seems like cheating the system.
4. Nothing is stopping Bill from giving anyone else the same tips he could give Hillary.

Current World Debtors and Creditors

Originally Posted by TrakMastaTom

What does having fought in a war have to do with running a government?

Nothing. It is irrelevant. Except if you are going to have the power to send teenagers to war then people like to think you have been there yourself.

[Tails]

Originally Posted by Kong

I imagine all of the candidates are extremely intelligent. I know Bill Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar. That is a very prestigious scholarship. I doubt he would marry an idiot.

Well what i meant was all of these presidents view to me is idiotic. Bush might of been a scholar but he was an idiot for the scandal.

Originally Posted by Kong

There is not a flat tax in America. Meaning everyone pays a different % rate. Most people that pay close to 40% are probably upper middle class. Sabby would be able to answer that better than me though.

1. All of our taxes do not go to Africa.
2. I assume you are implying that our taxes go to Africa as aid. USA donates a lower percentage of our GDP than any other industrialized nation. Although since our GDP is the highest we are still the largest foreign aid contributor.
3. Most (over 50%) of our taxes fund our foreign policy (war).
4. You shouldn't make generalizations. It undermines your point.

obama said when he is president he wants to give the poor people more money (for doing nothing) which i do not like and tax the working people 40% of their salary and give it to africa to fight aids.
3. see that shouldn't happen we are bad right now we need to help ourselves.
4. what generalizations?

[Kugyince]

Bush might of been a scholar but he was an idiot for the scandal.

We're all humans. We've all made mistakes. Some little, some big.

obama said when he is president he wants to give the poor people more money (for doing nothing) which i do not like and tax the working people 40% of their salary and give it to africa to fight aids.
3. see that shouldn't happen we are bad right now we need to help ourselves.
4. what generalizations?

Instead of just saying that's what he wants to do you need to back it up with a source of reference. If you can't back up such a ridiculous statement then don't bother saying it.

You're genralizing that; a)the poor don't work b)those who have money, do work c)all taxes will go to Africa d)all taxes that do go to Africa are to fight Aids e)that we are worse off than others

I enjoy politics and would love to discuss this like a mature adult if you're capable of doing so without painting, broad, sweeping accusations that you've imagined. The fact is no presidential candidate would make that statement if they still wished to be elected.

[Dudebro]

Tails if no one helps the helpless we just let them die. Not everyone who needs aid is doing nothing. My family was very poor growing up and at one point we got government aid. Are you saying we didn't deserve the food the government sent us? Yeah it was pretty embarrassing to have to use food stamps as a kid but I think it opened my eyes about how bad some people have it.

If anything we need to spend more money helping people who have no money and spend less on war and keeping rich people rich.

Obama(or any canidate) would never wanna give money to people milking the system. But it happens.
In my opinion McCain is just gonna cave to the rich religious groups and screw us poor people over.

[Tails]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

Tails if no one helps the helpless we just let them die. Not everyone who needs aid is doing nothing. My family was very poor growing up and at one point we got government aid. Are you saying we didn't deserve the food the government sent us? Yeah it was pretty embarrassing to have to use food stamps as a kid but I think it opened my eyes about how bad some people have it.

If anything we need to spend more money helping people who have no money and spend less on war and keeping rich people rich.

Obama(or any canidate) would never wanna give money to people milking the system. But it happens.
In my opinion McCain is just gonna cave to the rich religious groups and screw us poor people over.

i am not saying that they shouldn't get nothing dudebro, i just feel that if people who are lower income get more handouts they won't try to get anything. I experience this first hand, my mom is divorced my dad is on disability when he don't need it, and if the government gives that to those people they will just take it from others who need it, thus everything stays chaotic.

I guess where i am coming from is that my mom is considered poor yet i don't feel poor, we don't have food stamps, we have stuff we need, i just say that everyone shouldn't get handouts and still become lazy, my mom works hard while people in section 8 get money for sitting on their asses? thats what i don't want happen, when its rich people like football players or any sports players they shouldn't get that kind of money.. that corrupt.

@Tenser:

yes we are all human.. but getting it on in the white house of all places really sends a bad message to the children of America.
I never ment the poor do not work, like i said obove some work hard (like my mother) and some do not. the ones that do not should not get a penny. I never ment either all of our taxes will go to africa i ment a big portion of our paychecks (if you know Bill cunningham thats where i got it from) We are worse off than ten years ago, look at gas prices, heck it made me not even want to get a car because of it.

[count100]

how come its all about Republican and Democrat why not blow them both out of the water and elect a independent on it, if the country does not like McCain or Obama just forget them both and get someone who people like and not just for the 2 main political parties that are in the spotlight..

[TrakMastaTom]

@Tails - If you don't like either candidate, who are you going to vote for if you don't mind me asking? Who is your "lesser of two evils"?

[Tails]

Originally Posted by TrakMastaTom

@Tails - If you don't like either candidate, who are you going to vote for if you don't mind me asking? Who is your "lesser of two evils"?

Well, i was gonna vote McCain since he would at least have war experiences, but reading what you said (i was originally going by Cunningham and my mom)i need to rethink it or choose the anonymous party.