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**Kong** · 08-10-2009, 07:57 PM

@Dojah, I'm not 100% sure what you were saying in your first comment. You can use the scientific method to test and prove if miracles and prayer exist or not. We still don't have a way of testing for the existence of heaven, sin, god or butt fairies but that doesn't mean we should automatically believe in them just because we can not prove they are fake.

In your second comment that was my point. I was trying to prove that the logic "if not A then B" is flawed. Neutral was asking for a way to argue with someone that was saying "if you can not 100% prove god does not exists then god exists". My whole post was meant to show that logic in a different light so it was obvious it was stupid.

I hate ginger. I can not prove it but I hate it nonetheless.

Also I do think we can prove that nearly all organized religion is false. We can trace back the origins of all of them to an original human source. God can not tell any human about his existence without the aid of another human (American Indians had no idea what any European god was until the Europeans showed up.) There are obvious mistakes in all religous texts making it obvious that they were not divinely inspired. There are obvious thefts from pre-existing stories from neighboring regions of the religious founders. Miraculous claims never come with any proof, only hearsay. There is very little difference in religions yet followers can easily tell that other religions are false (there is no more evidence for Jesus than Zeus or Mahmud yet most Christians would laugh at the idea that those religions are as true as theirs.)

Here is a point that Richard Dawkins made. There are a couple different scientific theories for why dinosaurs went extinct. A meteor, a volcano, a natural ice age, etc. Imagine if the scientist decided which theory to believe based on where they were born and what theory their parents believed. Example all Chinese believed a meteor killed the dinos. All of India believed that a volcano wiped them out. And all Europen scientist believed that a natural ice age occurred. The only reason they disagreed was because that is what their parents taught them. Evidence and the scientific method did not mater. They could not change their minds. If you are Chinese then it is meteor. If you are British it is natural ice age. Case closed.

08-10-2009, 07:57 PM	#11
Donor Administrator 12,340 posts View Stats	Kong Re: Need well-thought, well-made, arguments why god isn't the reason of ev.t existanc @Dojah, I'm not 100% sure what you were saying in your first comment. You can use the scientific method to test and prove if miracles and prayer exist or not. We still don't have a way of testing for the existence of heaven, sin, god or butt fairies but that doesn't mean we should automatically believe in them just because we can not prove they are fake. In your second comment that was my point. I was trying to prove that the logic "if not A then B" is flawed. Neutral was asking for a way to argue with someone that was saying "if you can not 100% prove god does not exists then god exists". My whole post was meant to show that logic in a different light so it was obvious it was stupid. I hate ginger. I can not prove it but I hate it nonetheless. Also I do think we can prove that nearly all organized religion is false. We can trace back the origins of all of them to an original human source. God can not tell any human about his existence without the aid of another human (American Indians had no idea what any European god was until the Europeans showed up.) There are obvious mistakes in all religous texts making it obvious that they were not divinely inspired. There are obvious thefts from pre-existing stories from neighboring regions of the religious founders. Miraculous claims never come with any proof, only hearsay. There is very little difference in religions yet followers can easily tell that other religions are false (there is no more evidence for Jesus than Zeus or Mahmud yet most Christians would laugh at the idea that those religions are as true as theirs.) Here is a point that Richard Dawkins made. There are a couple different scientific theories for why dinosaurs went extinct. A meteor, a volcano, a natural ice age, etc. Imagine if the scientist decided which theory to believe based on where they were born and what theory their parents believed. Example all Chinese believed a meteor killed the dinos. All of India believed that a volcano wiped them out. And all Europen scientist believed that a natural ice age occurred. The only reason they disagreed was because that is what their parents taught them. Evidence and the scientific method did not mater. They could not change their minds. If you are Chinese then it is meteor. If you are British it is natural ice age. Case closed.