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Old 06-07-2009, 04:04 PM   #1
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The Church of Dudebro

Continued from another thread per request of Kong

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Originally Posted by kong
1. All of the old testament was originally oral history the same as the Iliad and the Odessey. And much of the New Testament. There is not one part of the Bible that was written while Jesus was alive so all of the Jesus quotes are merely hearsay.
2. There is absolutely zero corroboration outside of the Bible that Jews lived in Egypt or that any of that Exodus stuff ever happened. There is almost no outside corroburation that a man named Jesus ever lived. Certainly not enough to say it is historical fact that he did exist. I don't know about the Cannan part.
i misspoke, the events of the bible should be refered to as religious history, many studies attempt to tie in roman, greek, egyptian, and mesopotiam histories and find the connections, if any. some of the obvious characters that are known in historical record include herod the great, based off of hebrew records, casear, pilate and peter, all based off of roman records, peter's records do relate to his execution in rome, rather than his time around jerusalem. there have been around 30 other cases of kings in the region that have been id'ed in the bible and through recovered monuments and scripts, including the moabite stone or the mesha stele, the amarna letters, the babylonian chronicles which detail the siege of jerusalem by nebuchandnezzer, and the cylander of nabonius. sites such has herod's temple provide some historical record as well.

one leading idea behind the accuracy of exodus comes from the ipuwer papyrus, a poem which describes drought, devestation of crops, famine, death due to a group leaving their servitude. a curious statement in the poem mentions that "the river is blood" the ipuwer papyrus is dated to around 13BCE, while the first portions of exodus are thought to be written between 9-10 BCE.
egyptian inscriptions and the amarna letters do describe a group named the habiru that lived on the border of egypt and the sinai, basically a milita group that was hired as a border guard, however, once the habiru's raids got out of control, the egyptian record is that they were made to work manual labor instead. this is entirely speculation btw. if these people were hebrew, and scholars debate if they are based on the similar name, it is likely they would have altered from made to work, to enslaved in their records.

and yes, correct, there is no historical record of jesus during his life. the first record is a roman one written about 70 AD. there are multiple records during christ's time of his jewish contemporaries that make no mention of him at all.
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