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First let me say I am a big fan of this movie so my opinion will be bias. That being said TMT is right, you guys just didn't get the Jokers character. He even says he has no plan, he's just an instrument of chaos.
Like Alfred tells Batman, "Some men just want to watch the world burn."
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5q3z4IP_nNU&feature=related"]YouTube - Some men just want to watch the world burn.[/ame]


Remember they made a point of showing the Joker burning all that money he stole? That was to show how much he just doesn't care. There is no point, that's what makes the Joker a good bad guy.
Almost every movie nowdays has to spoonfeed people the plot with easy to identify evil characters. The Dark Knight attempted to show something different.

I do agree about Two Face though. They should've left him for the next movie, that tacked on part at the end was too much. When Joker got arrested(second time) I thought the movie was over.
I liked the actor who played him though. He did a good job of being Mr upstanding citizen and I thought he was convincing when he lost his mind towards the end. When he screamed "SAY IT!" it made me jump in my seat, I wasn't ready for it.
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26lRFChMQ5M"]YouTube - The Dark Knight Say It[/ame]

About the dark fight scenes I agree, but, almost every action movie does similar things. To see all the action you'd have to watch a good martial arts movie like Drunken Master. American action movies love to use that fast, close up camera so we don't see details(and they can be lazy about it).

Bottomline is this all opinion, the movie is not for everyone. Also I added spoiler to the first post just in case someone hasn't seen this movie yet. This topic has mega spoilers.