[pacwhiz]

Forgot a very important point, referring back to my original post!
7. alienated the entire community of gamers, and the public, by completely disregarding their forums AND the scoreboard, archiving the forums for the past 8 months (without any word or inkling of its fate), and not releasing the scoreboard in any form or other until recently.

This imo killed off any positives that the transition of ownership could have otherwise had; gamers had already migrated elsewhere after 3 months of total nothingness let alone 8 or 9 months(!); and then New TG comes back online, with no forums (only a thread at proxy-site CAGdc), no scoreboard (initially), and then later some ridiculous fees to be paid if one is to remain a part of the TG community?? Seriously.

Anyway, moving along...

Originally Posted by thetedster

There are going to be scores that people will not be able to duplicate. either because of RNG (Random Number Generation) or simply by luck. Technique and skill have plenty to do with it, but some world records just simply are based on either complete mastery of the game, or just dumb luck.

Yes i agree. I can relate because Ms. Pac-Man is one of those cases due to the 'random fruit generator'.

Originally Posted by thetedster

From what I've seen from the younger WR community, they share their work, and love the competition between themselves. Most of them are not pompous or withstanding of their records, and even generate followers and fans through streaming. Hell, even when I hit really big scores and people ask me what my strategies are, I give them to the people. What do I care if someone beats a score I have? I know I did something great, and I got a very large score and pushed someones motivation to beat something I created.

You seem to be implying that sharing hard work on gameplay and the love of competing is age-related, which of course i don't agree with, even if you're not directly saying that we middle-aged folks don't share as much. Also, there are many more nes, snes, xbox (etc etc) gamers than there ever were classic gamers during the golden era, therefore it may seem that there are more younger folks who share, simply because there are more OF them. And, if you're a lazy bum like me, you can't be bothered to go through the hassle of setting up a stream again (actually i got a stream working once for mame, took ages to set up, but it remained jittery laggy and unstable, just wasn't worth it at all and couldn't play normally). A lot of the top classic guys stream online and share their secrets though, like John McAllister, Hank Chien, Rick Carter, George Leutz, Richie Knucklez, George Riley, to name but a very few.

I think the degree of sharing is down to your enthusiasm not just for the game you excel at, but also the enthusiasm for the gaming community/friends. A higher level of enthusiasm creates a higher desire to share, even if that includes 'the risk' of sharing your actual methods or strategies. I also think it's important to give credit where credit is due, if someone's gameplay has improved from watching someone else's. That way a new method or strategy can always be attributed to its inventor.

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Originally Posted by bearhawk72

People watching others play and using their strategies and adapting it on their own has been around as long as gaming. How is it any different now, than back in the arcades when people would watch over your shoulder?

Precisely. Although we would have to concede that gaming has moved along since then, back in the 80's there was really not much choice in the matter, you could hardly shoo off the watchers could you. And for console or MAME gamers playing at home there usually isn't anyone watching over the shoulder. But it's true that Gaming started as basically a shared activity, and to me that remains one of its major 'essences'.

Originally Posted by bearhawk72

If I set a WR, which I did technically in Continental Circus on here, I was willing and I did tell the others what was working for me, what wasn't and wanted someone to challenge it. Sure enough 2 people beat my score and reset the world record. And all 3 of us did it by sharing what we figured out about the game as we went along.

And there you go I like that, plus with multiple brains it allows you to get much further in the game than with 1.

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Originally Posted by bearhawk72

It remind's me of the Futurama episode where there is an exhibit about Mom's favorite Robot. It's a mirror and Bender looks at it and exclaims "It's me!!! No one ever look in this mirror again!"

Hmmm i thought i'd seen them all! Which ep is that? Will have to go back and see that one!