[Dojah]

Originally Posted by Dudebro

@Dojah- Where do we draw the line? Many people in the muslim world were outraged over a drawing of mohamed but they don't have a problem with stomping on burning american flags and burning effigies of our leaders and other symbolic things. I am personally sick of this whole childish thing muslims are doing. They are mostly blind and deaf to their own people being ignorant, hateful hypocrites and they react with outrage over an editorial cartoon? This wasn't just limited to fanatics or radicals it was very widespread and many people were calling for blood. Sorry I have no sympathy.

Do you even know why the muslim world does these things Do you honestly believe they do it just to do it? You can call them childish all you want, but it also seems childish to call the islam world ignorant over protecting thier land. No offence but it seems you have no clue of why they they do those actions, but you can speak on it as if they are wrong. You do know Americans burn the American flag quite often right. Its ok for us to do it but not them? If muslims drew Mohamed, or used verses of the Quaran to write songs, then told us not to I would have a completely different look on this.

The line I would think is respect. If muslims burn flags, and they got shot, then its their fault. See how that works. I am not saying we have to abide by everyones beliefs, but respect them. I dont think that is to much to ask, for anyone. There is alof ot childish muslims, but there is alot of childish chistians, budhists, atheists, etc... also.

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Originally Posted by Kong

Bloods may think they have the right to shoot some people. There is a difference in thinking you are right and being right.

Says who? Truth is sujective. right/wrong, and good/bad are different things. Your truths are not my truths. So how can one tell another how to live or believe, or what his actions should consist of? Seems it works for some situations but does not work for others.

Originally Posted by Kong

Nope. This is a dictatorship. As Tenser says, this is like my house and you are all invited guests. I am talking about the world, not your house. If someone came over to your house and started making mama jokes and you told them to stop and they did not then you are fully in your right to kick them out. You might even be in your right to beat them up.

I was talking about the bloods belief, and how others should not be able to tell them how to think, this was your words.

Originally Posted by Kong

If you are watching a movie and someone is making mama jokes and you don't like it then you are fully in your right to turn it off not to tell the director to rewrite the movie.

Ok but if that guy gets shot then why care? He made his decision. Just like if a muslim who burns a flag gets shot, why care, he also made his decision. If neither disrespected the others belief it probably would be alot better

Originally Posted by Kong

See the difference. You can tell people how to act in your house. You can't tell them how to act everywhere in the world.

Not really, I mean it sounds good but thats not how the world has ever been or ever will be. So it seems the most logical thing to do is have respect. I mean those muslims who burn flags do it publicly for a point.

Originally Posted by Kong

The thing we are debating is whether one group should be allowed to tell another group what music they include in a video game. I stick by my opinion that they should not.

I am not saying these people should not have the right...they have all the right in the world to do what ever they want. But I also think the other person has the right to do whatever they want as well. You cant tell others how to feel, how is that any better? So you are saying one group should not be able to tell another group what they can listen to, but you CAN tell one group how to react to that other group? How does that make any sence?

Originally Posted by Kong

However if the debate was should someone be able to decide what music is played in their own house then yes, they should.

I agree.

Originally Posted by Kong

Many Muslims think all women should wear burqas and completely cover their bodies in public. Should everyone do that even when it is not their own personal belief? No, you control yourself, that is it.

Exactly, so respect their beliefs, and let them do what they do. But would it be smart to put up naked posters everywhere in thier land? NO, not only is that disrespectful but its ignorant. To personally feel my feeling are better than anyone elses, or my rights etc...So if I did such things I would expect to get shot. Not cry about it after the facts, and blaim it on others. I control myself, and make my own decisions.

Originally Posted by Kong

Many people think no one should be allowed to burn a flag. Should we make that a law? Should we condone it if someone wants to take the law into their own hand and kill someone that burns a flag?

Well lets see. If there were 2 guys and one wanted to burn a flag, the other said no dont do that around me, its my belief and my personal feeling to praise the flag, its my religion. But the other guy goes ahead and does it anyways, I wouldnt condone it but I would understand it if that guy gets killed. Also I dont think anyone was taking the laws into their own hands.

Originally Posted by Kong

I don't think people should intentionally try to piss people for the sole purpose of just offending them. But people need to get some thicker skin. Decide what you want in your life and stick with that. Don't worry about what other people are doing. If you don't want to listen to the song then don't. But don't tell someone else what they can listen to and don't get upset if they disagree. You can't control everyone and you have to accept that.

I agree excpet making the quaran into song verses. This goes into the slot of intentionaly trying to piss people off IMO. Its like a white rapper using the N word, yeah get some thicker skin and blow it off. Dont worry about it, if you dont want to listen then dont. Do you honestly believe this would fly? Come on now.

Originally Posted by Kong

I totally disagree. It is wrong to shot people because they drew something you didn't want them to draw no matter what it is. The fault lays with the person that did not realize that.

Well thats your opinion. But again what you think is right is not what others think is right. I can promise you if you were born in the mid-east you would have a different opinion on this. How can you tell someone else how they feel is wrong? I mean its ok to say the guy who shoots someone is worng but not the person who eggs it on?
1. Its ok to feel how ever you want, draw disrespectful drawings purposly to piss people off. This is ok.
2. Its NOT ok to react to this though. This is wrong. This does not make sence to me. Unless we are going for a one sided discussion, then it makes perfect sence.

Originally Posted by Kong

That goes both ways. You think the people doing the shooting want to be shot next time they step on someone's beliefs. I want people to be allowed to draw anything they want. They want to shoot people that do that. Should I treat them the same and shoot them? When does it stop.

[quote=Kong;113166]Well it starts and stops with respect. Growing up in the ghetto I learned these things pretty quick. I grew up around tons of different races, religions, gangs, etc...and this is all probably because of my upbringing, but you learn to respect others beliefs/thoughts even if their not your own. You dont go and follow what they are doing but you simply do not purposly disrespect their belief/feelings etc...or you WILL get jumped or worse. Code of the streets, squash your beef.

Originally Posted by Kong

Treating people the way you want to be treated boils down to you live your life and I'll live mine. If you don't like my life then look the other way, don't shoot me.

I totally agree, but the world has never, and will never be this way. Its a fairytale life IMO, and since that will never happen start with something small, like respect. Maybe that little thing will go along way and turn out for the better.

Originally Posted by Kong

Not true. And a better solution is don't be so easily disrespected or don't care so much when you are.

Yeah but again this has never ben the way of the world, so it wont work.

Originally Posted by Kong

I think it is important to point out we are talking about the vocal minority. Not mainstream Muslims.

Depends.

Originally Posted by Kong

Dojah you started out saying your best friend is Muslim. I would be interested to hear if he thinks people should be shot for drawing Muhammad or if a video game should be changed because it contained two sung religious verses.

We talked about the drawing before, but never the verses. I will ask him. But about the drawing, he does not feel they should get killed, but he does understand the reasoning behind it.

Originally Posted by Kong

I'm not 100% positive but I don't think theses are the types of things the average Muslim cares that much about. I think we are letting the vocal few speak for the quiet many.

I think it is. The majority of muslims follow thier book alot more than christians follow thiers. When I was younger I remember My friends dad showed me how to read the Quaran...meaning when you read the book you must have the book above your waist. I bet if there were some muslims on the site there would be a better debate/discussion.