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Tails 06-11-2010 05:35 PM

Abby Sunderland Quits Around-the-World Sail Record Attempt
 
16-Year-Old Abby Sunderland Quits Around-the-World Sail Record Attempt - ABC News

What a pansy!

jim5cents 06-11-2010 05:44 PM

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While the effort of wanting to sail around the world, alone, non-stop is pretty manly and not pansy at all, pulling into port because your gps is busted is.

I wonder what Columbus, Magellan, or Cook would have done if their gps receiver broke down...oh, wait, they would have done what a non-pansy would have done. Either broken out the map and compass, or gone real old school and used stars. I guess she didn't download the app for her IPhone before the trip.

Tails 06-11-2010 05:46 PM

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Her brother did it one year ago at the age of 17, I think her main insight was trying to beat her brother, and failed at it.

Dudebro 06-12-2010 01:12 AM

Re: Abby Sunderland Quits Around-the-World Sail Record Attempt
 
Uh, you missed the real story. Your story is a few days old and missing the interesting part.
Abby Sunderland, Teen Sailor Found Alive After Crisis at Sea - ABC News
She went past Cape Town and had to call for help in the Indian Ocean. French and Australian ships were dispatched and a private jet flew over and found her. Rough storms knocked out her mast and she was dead in the water.

Was this worth the possible millions of dollars spent on the recovery effort? It's not a big deal to divert a french fishing vessel but an Australian navy ship was also sent out. What country do you think is footing the bill for her little selfish trip? Does anyone else think the parents should have to pay some restitution or should they just carry on allowing their minor children to sail across the globe at a whim? Hey, the mothers pregnant, 16 more years and they can be in the news again!

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Originally Posted by Steven
While the effort of wanting to sail around the world, alone, non-stop is pretty manly and not pansy at all, pulling into port because your gps is busted is.

Yeah but for a 16 year old girl in a considerably small sail boat? I guess she could've just gone old school and risked it but it seems she understood that it wasn't worth the risk of dieing to the elements or the wildlife.

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Originally Posted by Tails
Her brother did it one year ago at the age of 17, I think her main insight was trying to beat her brother, and failed at it.

No she wanted to get the record for youngest. One of her friends on facebook or w/e is also in the process of doing the exact same thing but she's slightly older. She risked her life and wasted tons of money and man hours to set a record that some other idiot would probably beat the same year.

Demon-Mask 06-12-2010 02:28 AM

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Why should a sixteen year old girl be sailing around the world alone in an undersized boat?
It's just stupid, I doubt most parents would say

"Sure, go ahead and sail the world, don't worry about the fact that you will be missing tons of school and are probably not emotionally mature enough to properly handle being alone and seeing nothing but water for days, between times you reach shore, and when your undersized boat breaks, don't worry about the resources being spent on you, Uncle Sam will take care of it, at no cost to us."

Tails 06-12-2010 02:30 AM

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Because, my guess is she lost her "nice boat".

@DB: She should've just swam to fight enemies, collect parts and rebuild it. I mean it worked for Chrono Trigger.

Dudebro 06-12-2010 03:06 AM

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Because, my guess is she lost her "nice boat".

No she had the boat she wanted. It's described as a small sailboat but I haven't seen a picture. The link says the mast broke when the boat went sideways in rough weather. She was sitting in the Indian ocean drifting in choppy seas. I can't imagine that happening to me when I was 16.

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@DB: She should've just swam to fight enemies, collect parts and rebuild it. I mean it worked for Chrono Trigger.
Yeah there's probably a lot of large sharks and stuff in that part of the ocean. Plenty of stuff to make a mast out of. She punked out for sure.

Tails 06-12-2010 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Dudebro (Post 129065)
No she had the boat she wanted. It's described as a small sailboat but I haven't seen a picture. The link says the mast broke when the boat went sideways in rough weather. She was sitting in the Indian ocean drifting in choppy seas. I can't imagine that happening to me when I was 16.

You coulda just used your beard since I'm sure you had one at that time. :P


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Originally Posted by DB
Yeah there's probably a lot of large sharks and stuff in that part of the ocean. Plenty of stuff to make a mast out of. She punked out for sure.

Even better. Just beat up 5 sharks tie ropes on them and wala!

Dudebro 06-12-2010 03:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Tails (Post 129068)
You coulda just used your beard since I'm sure you had one at that time. :P

Not even close but thanks for the compliment.

I think I would've been fine with the conditions and isolation at 16 but I just wouldn't want to do it. I see no reason to risk my life setting a record someone else is bound to beat. It's just not worth it. If it's like first person to ever do it then yeah, totally worth it.
I think this is stupid but I accept that it's her life. My beef begins when she needs to be rescued by foreign nations. I'm sure they'll pad the costs a little for their time and patience.

Chuck Norris 06-12-2010 02:01 PM

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Goes to show ya, them kids nowadays are lost without technology

RU Joe 06-12-2010 04:52 PM

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No, we're all lost without technology because most of us have been dumbed down by the education system, Sodium Fluoride in the drinking water and in our medications like Prozac, and through the selling of the 'convenience' offered by electronic gizmos.
Believe me, the previous generations were WAY smarter than we can now become because of all these things.

Not only are we intellectually inferior to our ancestors, we've been domesticated, and have lost a lot of our animal instincts which helped us when taking on things like sailing across the ocean.

To those people back then their chief concern about sailing across the ocean was probably bad weather, not their own ability to navigate and run the ship.

Demon-Mask 06-12-2010 04:55 PM

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I don't think Sodium Fluoride does any harm to a person's brain development.

The loss of instincts is a big thing though, not many humans have some of the most basic primal instincts left.

Dudebro 06-12-2010 09:36 PM

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we intellectually inferior to our ancestors
Oh really? I'm sorry but that is just stupid. If we were on downward trend we'd see less innovation and that's just not the case.

Kong 06-12-2010 10:17 PM

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Less self reliant is more accurate.

RU Joe 06-12-2010 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudebro (Post 129207)
Oh really? I'm sorry but that is just stupid. If we were on downward trend we'd see less innovation and that's just not the case.

Standing on the shoulders of genii takes no effort at all, and that is exactly what you seem to be confusing with original thought; take computers for example:

If it hadn't been for the early pioneers of the automation of logic and machine language {mechanical computers} do you really think you'd be using a {?} generation computer right now?
{and if those guys were around now, imagine what they could do!}

Furthermore, using a computer to make another computer, such as in 3 dimensional circuit design is simply impossible for the Human mind to accomplish due to its complexity {because the machines are able to calculate capacitance between traces and incorporate that capacitance into circuit design, as one example}

Let's say that we are comparing the invention of the very first wheel to the modern innovation of BF Goodrich or Yokohama racing tires.
This would be an unfair and unbalanced comparison, since most of the 'thinking' that went into the steps leading up to those modern tires had already been done ages ago.

Yes, there are some comparable intellects alive today but what I'm really talking about is the fact that all of us should be a lot smarter than we are, but due to things such as those I mentioned, we are not.
To make it worse, we now have machines that do all our thinking for us, so a lot of us let our minds go to mush simply because we can. :}

DM:
I forgot to mention toothpaste.
For those of you who don't want Sodium Fluoride when the brush, try Tom's of Maine brand, who make a lovely Fluoride free toothpaste.

If you still don't think it dumbs you down - I have suffered damage from it myself, which was largely due to being prescribed Prozac when I was younger - I'm off it now for years but the damage is done :'( no, I am not joking.
When I was young I was brilliant, but thanks to Prozac I can hardly think anymore, by comparison.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLYrSfnsqb0]YouTube - Chemical Dumbing Down of America[/ame]

Getting back to the girl and her boat, I assume that she was overconfident due to having those machines to do her thinking for her.
You guys are right about 'guess who's going to pay for it'.
{hint: not the wealthy parents}

Dudebro 06-12-2010 10:36 PM

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Standing on the shoulders of genii takes no effort at all, and that is exactly what you seem to be confusing with original thought
Uh no? People have been standing on the previous generations shoulders since the dawn of time, this is nothing new.
People were much stupider in the past, there's no debating that. I think you mean to say people used to have a better work ethic and more drive to discover/conquer. To say a person a hundred years ago was smarter than the average educated modern person is just silly.

RU Joe 06-12-2010 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Dudebro (Post 129243)
Uh no? People have been standing on the previous generations shoulders since the dawn of time, this is nothing new.
People were much stupider in the past, there's no debating that. I think you mean to say people used to have a better work ethic and more drive to discover/conquer. To say a person a hundred years ago was smarter than the average educated modern person is just silly.

NO!
DB, I gave you all my own personal account of this as my first - hand evidence and I mean what I said.
I understand what you're saying but I am not making a comparison between a caveman and a person with a modern education.

What I'm saying is that the average person's ability to think has been hobbled through the lowering of their I.Q., not their own personal accumulation of knowledge through reading, which is what you seem to be talking about.
For that matter, education was withheld from the masses for the past few hundred years and if you weren't born to aristocracy, you were uneducated.

Go ask someone from two generations hence if they think we're smarter or not - they'll tell you.

So far as 'work ethic', do you think the average modern American who works 2 or 3 jobs so they can just barely pay their rent and eat Kraft dinner every night has much incentive? :wilt:
NOT much incentive there, in my opinion.

Dudebro 06-12-2010 11:45 PM

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I understand what you're saying but I am not making a comparison between a caveman and a person with a modern education.
Neither am I. I mean recent history when people had very little education and understanding, like you pointed out. To say the average person then was smarter than the average person now is just wrong.

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What I'm saying is that the average person's ability to think has been hobbled through the lowering of their I.Q
Yeah but you think this because of conspiracy theories. There is no proof that fluoride in the water effects IQ. It may be giving us all cancer but I've yet to hear a credible source linking it to intelligence. There's also no proof that the education system/medication is purposely making people stupid.
If you assume these theories are true then yes it seems to support your side. If you don't believe them then there's nothing but speculation and paranoia.

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Go ask someone from two generations hence if they think we're smarter or not - they'll tell you.
Duh? Every generation thinks they're better than the next. Ask any old person about the new generation and you'll get the same results.


BTW, we are getting way off topic now. If you wanna discuss the conspiracy about intentional moronification(yes I made up a word) of the population take it to the social group for these kind of theories. I'm not trying to dodge your points or make fun of you, we are just completely off the rails here.

RU Joe 06-13-2010 02:31 AM

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DB:
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we are just completely off the rails here.
Noted and acknowledged.
Poll: ... ... ...Sodium Fluoride and the chemical dumbing down of society

Tails 06-13-2010 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Kong (Post 129225)
Less self reliant is more accurate.

I agree. I mean.. this song sums this up NSFW.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvB-lIcHHPQ]YouTube - Super Mario RPG - Forest Maze Song Rawest[/ame]


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